German Grand Prix 2016, Hockenheim - Race 12/21

The thing is Rosberg dived up the inside and when Max started moving over to take the corner, Rosberg was able to turn further right into the corner and along side Max. He then straighten up once he'd seen Max was leaving him room and ran Max wide and then off the track.

Rosberg made no attempt to turn in before running Max off the track, he knew exactly what he was doing
 
smr said:
JV wins WDC after this move (no penalty)
40 seconds

Verstappen last year (no penalty)
50 seconds

Don't see what was so different that Rosberg did :confused:
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Both actually tried to turn their steering wheel :p

I wouldn't have objected to either JV or Verstappen getting some form of penalty as both went in far too hot and out braked themselves but managed to benefit from it, by fluke or otherwise. Actually watching it again you could argue MS turned into JV, and that no penalty was a fair decision.

The issue with Rosberg is that he didn't seem to out brake himself at all and just doesn't bother turning until Max was forced off the track.
 
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alx said:
Both actually tried to turn their steering wheel :p

I wouldn't have objected to either JV or Verstappen getting some form of penalty as both went in far too hot and out braked themselves but managed to benefit from it, by fluke or otherwise. Actually watching it again you could argue MS turned into JV, and that no penalty was a fair decision.

The issue with Rosberg is that he didn't seem to out brake himself at all and just doesn't bother turning until Max was forced off the track.
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Indeed they both where turning the wheels, into the corner one on the racing line the other so far on the inside you could fit a buss between the two.

Rosberg once but twice kept his wheel straight past the apex of the corner forcing people off. If it was a tight track like Baku/Monaco/Singapore it would have lead to the other car smashing into a wall
 
I think verstappens and JV were both kamikaze dives with no chance of making the apex and should have been penalised just like rosbergs should have and was punished.
 
UTmaniac said:
Isn't that Villeneuve vs Schumacher incident the one where Schumacher got disqualified from the championship? Blatent move by MS to block the divebomb by JV, trying to do to JV what he did to Damon Hill, take them out to win championship.
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Yup. That also put Heinz-Harold Frentzen into 2nd in the championship overall.
 
smr said:
JV wins WDC after this move (no penalty)
40 seconds

Verstappen last year (no penalty)
50 seconds

Don't see what was so different that Rosberg did :confused:
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Really? First up, JV was more than alongside schumi and both cars lost their turning angle when Michael turned into JV, the contact caused both cars to stop turning. If he hadn't turned in on and made contact, he would have stayed wide and no problem.

Second, Ericsson didn't go off the track... did you notice that? What did he do differently.... he didn't force Ericsson off the track. Rosberg got a penalty literally for forcing another driver off the track and you're using an incident in which no driver was forced off the track as a comparison?

Also Verstappen wasn't going for the move, he was pretty much just surprised by the Sauber braking so much earlier, he was diving out of the way so as to not smack Ericsson up the behind and ruin both their races. He made the corner, Ericsson frankly wasn't close to going off.

Make the move more purposeful, have Verstappen brake 20m later, have him finally turn another 10m further on and have Ericsson have no where to go but off track and it would be similar to what Rosberg did.
 
SS-89 said:
I think verstappens and JV were both kamikaze dives with no chance of making the apex and should have been penalised just like rosbergs should have and was punished.
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You don't have to make the apex, you can take the corner however you want within reason, what you can't do is force another driver off the track. That is what Rosberg did and Verstappen didn't. Neither JV nor Verstappen were kamikaze's, Ricciardo at Hungary last year, that is a kamikaze. He locked up massively and missed the corner entirely. JV was easily up the inside and hadn't locked up, the contact caused both cars to lose grid/turn and go straighter than they would otherwise have done and JV still made the corner easily.
 
Why is this still being discussed? Rosberg has no race craft and that is evident from both Austria and Germany. He got penalties for both where he deliberately forced a driver off the track. Stop wasting time comparing past peoples. This guy is clueless and deserves everything penalty he got. Even the 3 second one from Mercedes.
 
Swagger187 said:
Why is this still being discussed? Rosberg has no race craft and that is evident from both Austria and Germany. He got penalties for both where he deliberately forced a driver off the track. Stop wasting time comparing past peoples. This guy is clueless and deserves everything penalty he got. Even the 3 second one from Mercedes.
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Yup, he has no race craft, hence why he is driving in F1.
 
He started back in 2006, and is still racing, out living others that started at the same time, and is still contesting an F1 championship. For someone who is apparently crap, he seems to be doing well to me. If he was rubbish, he would have lost his drive.
 
leaskovski said:
Yup, he has no race craft, hence why he is driving in F1.
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****ing LOL!

Yeah he is in F1, doesn't mean he can ****ing overtake tho does it. The guy is a pro-bottler under pressure, crashing or blocks, or drives people of track deliberately.

He is no where near the quality driver to deliver a World Championship. Any other team where he didn't have Mercedes covering for him, he wouldn't be in the sport!

leaskovski said:
He started back in 2006, and is still racing, out living others that started at the same time, and is still contesting an F1 championship. For someone who is apparently crap, he seems to be doing well to me. If he was rubbish, he would have lost his drive.
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And another stupid post. He is in the team with the best car by what a second? All he has to do is turn up.
 
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I wouldn't say he has no racecraft, but I would say he's a little lacking in that area.

Fwiw, anyone in our sim league would've been penalised for pulling a move like he did at Austria and Hockenheim.
 
Rosberg isn't rubbish by a long way. But he's not at the same level as Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, etc. You put Vettel or Alonso in Rosberg's car for the past 2 seasons and I doubt Hamilton would have won both titles. With the car issues he had in the first year, he might not of won any, and this year they'd be long gone by now.

Neither of those video's linked above, are the same as the Rosberg move. At the end of the day Rosberg got a 5 second penalty, which i think was deserved. Anything more in isolation would have been excessive.

The problem is he's done it before, and he's quite happy running people off the track defending his position too (which he's never been punished for).
 
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