Getting Phones into the Cat5 at Work!

alexx

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At work we got two phone lines installed in a room we've now moved out of.

At the moment its a nightmare running crappy extender cables to get them close to us.

Our office has lots of ethernet sockets that are all linked up in a rack and I remember seeing some ethernet - phone connection adaptors (dont know what there called sorry)

Does anyone know what they are called or how easy it is to get it working via the network cabling so its not messy

or alternatively does anyone know of any phones (i need 2 per line) that could sit away from the line connection (both of them) using a 3rd wireless base station or something?

thanks for your time!

al
 
Assuming all you want to do is run the telephone extension over your structured cabling, all you need is either RJ11 to RJ45 or BT to RJ45 couplers usually called a "secondary".

Are these just basic analogue lines, not connected to a PBX or anything?
 
as far as im aware they are basic analogue lines with bt

on the network there is a box that i can plug into.. ill go grab a piccy but im assuming it'd work with just the normal network switch

1mo :) and thanks

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sorry for the bad pics rushing around with the iphone-
so thats where the network cables come out and the switch ive got them into, and the other 2 phone box things arnt used

- sorry this is all messy and random ive not worked with networks before and just found this in our old building and put it to use

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Looks like you could just move the cable from whatever socket its currently in the rack in to a socket which is closer to your desk, you probably have a pbx adapter to turn the rj45 in to an rj11or something similar.

Do you not have a company that looks after your phone system?
 
Sp00n said:
Looks like you could just move the cable from whatever socket its currently in the rack in to a socket which is closer to your desk, you probably have a pbx adapter to turn the rj45 in to an rj11or something similar.

Do you not have a company that looks after your phone system?
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all the sockets are hooked up right for the computers on the network (about 20)
with working internet (not sure if i did it right i just plugged the modem into one of the sockets, seems to work fine?)

its just if i use those phone rack things (whatever they do!)

and if all i need to do if get the convertor and it'd work
 
i just googled pbx adaptor. thats exactly what i saw in the office when we moved in!

no one looks after anything here im in charge of anything digital / technical that isnt written on paper, im good with a lot of stuff but never really looked into networks
 
What I mean is the phone is probably plugged in to a socket on the wall which will be numbered, lets say number 10.

Now the nearest socket to you is for example, 18, just move the cable from port 10 on the patch panel (other end of this will be plugged in to a numbered port on the avaya system) to port 18 and then physically move the phone.
 
the phones into a standard phone line at the moment nothing to do with the network

but i know what you mean if that was the case
 
sorry for all the posts, but the pbx thing is bugging me a bit as i dont know the difference between a digital and analogue phone connection.

when a phone line comes into your house like bt is that an analogue or digital?
and if its then converted into a cat5 cable does that make it analogue still or does it need to go via that phone box to make it digital and then come back out the switch at the other end?

that make sense?
 
So you have an analogue line connected in to a port on the patch panel, then the appropriate wall socket has a phone attached to it?

BT line is analogue, its still analogue when it goes through the cat5 but it just messes up the wiring which is why you need the pbx adapter (from my very limited phone knowledge).
 
ah nope close but not there yet :D

I have a computer network which has a router and computers connected together all working with internet on each pc / mac and 2 wireless base stations.

I also have 2 phone lines that are not connected to the network in anyway they both go to seperate phones like in a normal house hold, 1 of them has the broadband on it so 1 cable obviously goes to the router aswell

now the problemo is

i need the phones in better places in the office as they are in the wrong room at the moment

ive got some empty places in the network to convert the phone line into a cat5 and then connect the phone with another convertor at the other end in the office in a better position.

the question is

if i get a bt-rj45 convertor on each end and patch it to the correct location on the network and switch is that all i need to do and it will work?

or do i need to start involving that weird phone box in the rack system?

:D thanks hope thats semi mud clear :P
 
I'm not 100% sure but yes, if you stick a pbx adapter on either end then I "think" that should do the trick, did something like that recently to get a fax line nearer someones computer.

/edit you dont want to patch it in to the switch, just the correct numbered port on the patch panel.
 
by the sounds of your last post it should all work fine as on paper its just making a phone line extender via the structured cabling rather than loose cabling so it should all work dandy! hopefully! i think that rack phone box thing just confused me as it looked like it should be used
 
If it's an analogue line then all you need to do is connect the telephone socket to the nearest network socket, using a converter. Then put a patch on the patch panel between the 2 network sockets and then use a converter on the socket nearest your desk.
example -
the nearest NIC socket to the telephone socket is 12 (according to the patch panel). And the nearest spare NIC socket to your desk is 20. Using a converter connect the telephone output to the NIC socket (12). Then again add a converter to the NIC socket 20 with a phone attached. Then simply patch between 12 and 20 on the patch panel.
 
Ah sounds like its redundant then if its not plugged in, give it a go and you can always put it back the way it was if it doesnt work :)
 
yeah well nothing was plugged in here, just wondering what the use of those boxes are for, they must have been there for a reason, unless there are different types of network phones that get managed from one system? maybe its for putting people on hold and passing them thru ect?
 
If all you have is two analogue phone lines at one part of the office, get some "secondary" RJ45 to BT adapters, and plug the existing phone line into an empty network wallport.

Then either terminate these lines in the cabinet (for the case of the broadband enabled line), or re-patch this port (say you plugged the phoneline into port 10) into whatever port number is near the desk you want the phone. So plug say port 10 in the patch panel into port 19 (or whatever is near your desk) on the patch panel.
 
cool all makes sense thank you guys very much, helpful as usual :)

Anyone got anymore info on what the Avaya PBX Gear does out of interest :)?
 
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