Given the choice, would you like to die early?

I'd wish to end my life early for 2 main reasons.
1. If my health was so poor I was just sat in a bed and couldnt be active, i'd like someone to assist my death if I got to this stage.
2. If i required full time care from either family or from a care home I would wish to leave, i wouldnt want to be a burdon to my family.
 
My Poppa and Nanna Are still kicking and walking where ever they want.

My poppa Still helps Shear sheep and he will look after, feed and round them up all him self if he has too.

My nanna helps out at the family buisness doing quite a lot of physical labour.

My nanna is early to mid 70s my poppa is late 70 early 80s.

If you dont let your mind push you around you can do what you want for ever if you dont give in to thinking your too old


Edit: My poppa Was back working just 3 weeks after the Surgery from when he broke his hip.

Stubbon ol git he is :p
 
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I beleive by the time I reach the age where I lose physical and mental ability there will be good enough medical advances to slow this down so that it's not as bad. Therefore I think about my life in terms of working as long as I am physically able. Only thing which gives me doubt is the hereditary heart problems in my family history which means I could die of a heart attack when I get over 50.
 
Saberu said:
I beleive by the time I reach the age where I lose physical and mental ability there will be good enough medical advances to slow this down so that it's not as bad. Therefore I think about my life in terms of working as long as I am physically able. Only thing which gives me doubt is the hereditary heart problems in my family history which means I could die of a heart attack when I get over 50.


They should be able to grow hearts by then :)

Bring on Stem Cell Research i say!!!! :cool:


/hides from Anti Stem Cellians
 
I wouldnt worry too much about living to 100, not many people do so the chance is low :D
However, some people are in terrible shape at 80 (or dont make 80 altogether) whilst others are very fit and well.

Also, that attitude of smoking because you dont want to live a long life, does kind of assume smoking will someday kill you in your tracks, or maybe peacefully in your sleep. Maybe it will, or maybe by the time you're 50 you will need your legs amputated due to blocked arteries.
Or maybe you'll suffer from lung cancer for years. Maybe the smoking wont simply shorten your life, maybe it will make your life miserable and shorten it.
 
n3crius said:
I find the general attitude in this thread generally very sad. Personally I really can't see why anyone is contemplating this unless they themselves are under very miserable conditions right now.
That, perhaps, merely indicates that you haven't yet seen, or experienced, what some others (including me) have. I hope you never do.


n3crius said:
... I actually find it rather pitiful how it appears so easy for some people to post so generally about this stuff in here. There are so many people on this planet tonight who'd like to extend their lives, who are we to ponder over its worth.
What makes you think it's easy to do so?

But consider, some of us may have had eminently good reason to contemplate how things are going to end. We may also have had plenty of time to consider it, and have reached the rational conclusion that for us extending life beyond a certain point, when quality of life has deteriorated beyond a given point, not only has no value but is an ordeal we can well do without.

Sure, there are people that would like to extend their lives. Good for them. At the moment, so would I. But ... I know what can happen, and it is NOT going to happen to me if I can do anything about it. So what does what others want have to do with my decision about when live becomes intolerable? They make their decisions, and I don't try to tell them they're wrong in that, and I expect the same courtesy in return.

n3crius said:
... Sure we can take our own lives, but personally I'm not willing to give such thoughts a moment of my time, I'm alive and willing to go as far as I can in my time here.
Good. It's entirely your perogative to not think about it. If you want to fight to the last, good for you. It's your right.

But without knowing what experiences others have, and what they either may suspect they face or know they face, what gives you the right to judge them? To find it "pitiful"?
 
Geoff said:
That, perhaps, merely indicates that you haven't yet seen, or experienced, what some others (including me) have. I hope you never do.


What makes you think it's easy to do so?

But consider, some of us may have had eminently good reason to contemplate how things are going to end. We may also have had plenty of time to consider it, and have reached the rational conclusion that for us extending life beyond a certain point, when quality of life has deteriorated beyond a given point, not only has no value but is an ordeal we can well do without.

Sure, there are people that would like to extend their lives. Good for them. At the moment, so would I. But ... I know what can happen, and it is NOT going to happen to me if I can do anything about it. So what does what others want have to do with my decision about when live becomes intolerable? They make their decisions, and I don't try to tell them they're wrong in that, and I expect the same courtesy in return.

Good. It's entirely your perogative to not think about it. If you want to fight to the last, good for you. It's your right.

But without knowing what experiences others have, and what they either may suspect they face or know they face, what gives you the right to judge them? To find it "pitiful"?

Don't disagree with you, and you're right in that it's easy for me to make my post given I'm healthy. I understand that.

What bothers me is how this seems to be so generalised in here. I don't mean to judge, I guess just think this is not something for healthy people to really deliberate on as most of us will have no real understanding of these extreme situations.

I've seen some things, none of them have ever made me want to consider the future in such a way, so I'm sorry for you mate, and indeed like most, I hope I never have to contemplate this kinda stuff.
 
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Lifes for living. dont throw it away. i dont smoke do drugs, drink heavily etc, some people do and because i want to tattoo my body some say IM ruining my life. no im not shortening it anymore than they are. i want to live as long as i can but if things ever become so bad, where i lose so much in my life. id probably want to end it earlier.
 
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I want to have no regrets in life and live the fullest life possible. I saw what my grandparents went through in their last years of life and I don't want that. When my health starts to deteriorate so much that I can't look after myself I want to die. My gran was so unhappy when she became dependant on my mum and I never want to be a burden like that to my children.
 
to die is to be n00b1sh imho :D if you dont have anything to live for then fair enough. also, if your 14, and just got on a bus with other peoples tax money and pushing a pram with two babies and the dad has left you then fair enough :D
 
n3crius said:
Don't disagree with you, and you're right in that it's easy for me to make my post given I'm healthy. I understand that.

What bothers me is how this seems to be so generalised in here. I don't mean to judge, I guess just think this is not something for healthy people to really deliberate on as most of us will have no real understanding of these extreme situations.

I've seen some things, none of them have ever made me want to consider the future in such a way, so I'm sorry for you mate, and indeed like most, I hope I never have to contemplate this kinda stuff.
I think you'll find it's experience-related, and that often (but unfortunately, not always) means it's age-related.

When I was young, I was invincible and was going to live forever. By that, I mean I never really contemplated the concept of mortality. I mean, obviously, I knew my time would come, but it was a long way off (probably), and I never really gave it much thought. It didn't sink in, properly. I was aware intellectually, but not emotionally.

But as you get older, you lose friends and loved ones, in increasing numbers. At that point, you'd be pretty stupid not to pick up the message - there's a time for us all, and it's getting closer. Tick, tick, tick.

But what REALLY sank in, due to specific experiences, is that that moment might come fast (and I'm talking illness here, so fast as in days or weeks, not the instant of a car crash or a massive unexpected heart attack or stroke), or it might come slow, and linger for months or even years.

In the event that it's slow, and that implies a gradual degeneration, you have to face up to the fact that, gradually, there'll be things you can't do. And over a period, when it gets to the point that the list of "can'ts" is huge, and the list of "can's" worryingly small, you realise that quality of life has degraded significantly. And when you then find that you're either facing unbearable pain, or heavy drugs to numb the pain - which then mean you're so out of it you don't know what day it is, let alone have enough self left to even get pleasure from reading a book or watching telly, well, it boils down to laying there, suffering, needing a nurse to get you to the loo and sit you on it because you can't manage it yourself or, worse yet, catheter and bedpan .....

I think the picture is clear without me going on about how little you might find yourself left with, including remarkably little dignity. And for what? A few days extra .... of pain, and heavy morphine. Sorry, but no thanks. And THAT is why I said I've already taken steps to ensure I have a means to avoid that. If you don't take precautionary measures, you may find by the time you realise what's happening, you're too infirm to anything about it.


But perhaps ironically, this depressing picture has an upside. As soon as you realise that time is limited, and sliiping away, you realise that you'd damn well better live life while you can, because you never know what tomorrow holds. So you get off your arse and do things. Don't sit about thinking about it, do it .... or you might not get the chance. You see every problem as a challenge, and every mistake as an opportunity to learn, and to do better.

So please, don't feel sorry for me. As far as I know, I've a good many years left yet. And I have plenty of plans for them. Whatever time I have left, I fully intend to use it wisely, and enjoy it.

Which brings me back to square one. I have provision to hasten my own exit IF NEED BE. But I'm not anticipating needing it in the near future. I just have the vision and experience to ba aware of what MIGHT be in store, and the plans to deal with it, as and when necessary. What I don't intend to do if I can possibly help it, is slowly drift away in a hospital bed, plumbed into all sorts of contraptions, zombied by drugs, and at the "mercy" of doctors that are determined to preserve my misery (sorry, my life) regardless of whether I want it or not. It's not a pessimistic outlook, it's a pragmatic one.

My philosophy is that for each and every one of us, exactly one person has the right to determine when we exit this life. I choose not to suffer and delay the inevitable once it reaches the point that it is inevitable. But I acknowledge and respect the wishes of those that wish to hang on grimly to the last instant. That way is their choice but not mine, in exactly the same way that my way is my choice, not theirs. My way is right for me. I don't presume to suggest it's right for anybody else ..... though I can assume you I'm far from alone in seeing it this way. There is, in my opinion, no right way or wrong way to look at this - just personal preference.
 
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I will do whatever it takes to live as long a life as possible. So long as there are books left to read and places left to see I will not be sick of life.
 
robmiller said:
So long as there are books left to read and places left to see I will not be sick of life.


What if you go blind? Thats those 2 out of the Equation :p
 
I've witnessed my wife's grandmother's slow deterioration from Alzheimers and I know this - if I ever got in that condition I'd want to end it all, the great irony being of course that I probably wouldn't be aware I had a problem in the first place, which is one of the cruellest things about Alzheimers.

Within six months of each other, I've also seen my grandfather and father - both of them fit, active blokes who were my heroes and role models - reduced to skin & bone and finally death by cancer. Both of them became bed-ridden, incontinent shells of their former selves, grown men reduced to an almost baby-like state by their condition, dribbling, delirious, barely aware of their surroundings. And it broke my heart to see it.

I sometimes have morbid moments where I wonder if, having killed off the two previous male generations on my Dad's side, cancer is somehow 'stalking' our family and either I or my brother are next. More than anything though it has brought the concept of mortality crashing home and made me more determined to enjoy the time that I've been given, as I've seen first-hand how quickly it can be ripped away.

Life is precious, but in my opinion at least, life without dignity or a certain quality of life, is less so and I fully understand and agree with those who campaign for assisted suicide.
 
Despite the cost of living, it remains popular.


I can see the "benefits" of dying early, not going to an old peoples home and maintaining some dignity, but i don't know if when push came to shove i could actually decide to end my life instead of living that way.
 
Barbie said:
Despite the cost of living, it remains popular.


I can see the "benefits" of dying early, not going to an old peoples home and maintaining some dignity, but i don't know if when push came to shove i could actually decide to end my life instead of living that way.
Don't necessarily just write off old people's homes. Obviously, there are good and bad, but some of them are good are very, VERY good.

When I get to the age where that becomes a possibility, I see three (assuming I've outlived my partner) options :-

- live on my own, at home
- live with offspring
- live in a protected home

I'd rule out the second one out-of-hand. I wouldn't do that to them. They have their own lives to live, and families to raise.

Option 1 will be my choice .... while I'm still reasonably physically able, which means able to cope, and to get out and about. But I've seen too many people for whom that 'independence' gets to be more of a prison than a blessing, struggling just to wash, eat and clean. Not for me, thankyou.

At that point, I'll be looking for a home. Somewhere with suitable privacy. but also where there are facilities that provide common meeting area with others, a good standard of culinary, medical and general care, and where I can enjoy what remains left to me without having to endure the physical hassle of the mundanities of life.

Make no mistake, not all homes are ones I'd volunteer for. But I've seen several elderly relatives go nto such places for a few weeks "respite", and subsequently find that they enjoy the support, pampering and company to the point that they've refused point-blank to go back "home" afterwards. "Home", in effect, has changed.

The problem? Typically, the good homes are NOT cheap. But they're worth it.
 
Adnams Drinker said:
I've witnessed my wife's grandmother's slow deterioration from Alzheimers and I know this - if I ever got in that condition I'd want to end it all, the great irony being of course that I probably wouldn't be aware I had a problem in the first place, which is one of the cruellest things about Alzheimers.

Within six months of each other, I've also seen my grandfather and father - both of them fit, active blokes who were my heroes and role models - reduced to skin & bone and finally death by cancer. Both of them became bed-ridden, incontinent shells of their former selves, grown men reduced to an almost baby-like state by their condition, dribbling, delirious, barely aware of their surroundings. And it broke my heart to see it.
I'm sorry to hear that. But it seems you understand what I've been getting at, and why I've been saying it.

It tends to be an experience that refocusses your thought processes and readjusts your expectations, doesn't it?


Adnams Drinker said:
.... Life is precious, but in my opinion at least, life without dignity or a certain quality of life, is less so ....
Quite so.
 
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