Glenn Hoddle to return to FA as part of Greg Dyke's commission

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Former England boss Glenn Hoddle is set to return to the Football Association 14 years after being sacked.
Hoddle, 55, will take up a role on the commission announced by FA chairman Greg Dyke as part of a bid to transform the fortunes of the national team.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24453688

Now this sickens me, I cannot believe this guy is allowed to come back in any capacity with the FA.

My Dad is severely disabled, I just feel that after all the hard work with Kick it Out and getting equality into the game we take this massive step backwards.

This is an emotive subject for me so I expect OCUK fully to be against me but hey ho.

Should we get Ron Atkinson in as well?
 
14 years ago he said something offensive unrelated to football, lost his job and apologised for any offence caused - an effective lifetime ban from any form of employment by the FA seems a grossly disproportionate and unreasonable response to me.

Come back in 15 years when Ron Atkinson gets offered a consulting role on a committee about football development and I'm sure the lack of outrage will be just as deafening.
 
What sickens me is, in an attempt to update and refresh english football by improving grass roots football... we bring in yet another one of the old boys network of ex players who played for England thus must be used.

How about we go to Belgium and offer whoever was behind them reshaping their football training a job offer he can't refuse, or the German guy, or a guy who runs the Barcelona youth training.

How about just once we stop asking people who have proven nothing in football training to do jobs purely because they have some tie to English football in the past 60 years, and we go out and hire someone who has ALREADY DONE what we need doing.

Hoddle is a bit of a weirdo to start with wasn't progressive as a manager and from his poor analysis as a pundit I can only surmise has about as much of a clue of "fixing" English football as any of the previous ex England players who have been roped in to try and do it before.
 
It just doesn't sit right with me, seems to me the FA hate disabled people. Thats my view.

This has effectively killed my interest in "engurland". Hoddle and the FA can go to hell (like the disabled people) I will support ROI and/or Italy.
 
Fantastic appointment, the last time England had a decent team with some kind of direction was when we had Hoddle.

Whatever he may have said outside of that I couldn't give a **** about.
 
craptakular said:
It just doesn't sit right with me, seems to me the FA hate disabled people. Thats my view.

This has effectively killed my interest in "engurland". Hoddle and the FA can go to hell (like the disabled people) I will support ROI and/or Italy.
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I think suggesting that the FA hate disabled people is a bit strong, there are many faults you can lay at their door but the appointment of a man over a decade after he said something rather stupid seems amongst the more minor of them to me but maybe I'm not applying the proper perspective here.
 
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Fantastic appointment, the last time England had a decent team with some kind of direction was when we had Hoddle.
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Totally agree, he had some 'barmy' views but why shouldn't he be entitled to them. He lost his job and paid the price for those views. Why shouldn't he be entitled to a second chance.

I'd rather he took over from Roy though. Hopefully this is the first step to that end.
 
It was over a decade ago, he appologised and lost his job so for me he has served his time nothing he said or did was enough to warrant a life time ban from working at the FA obviously I would hope it's been made very clear to him that those views are not acceptable to the FA and if he so much as hints at them he should expect to be drop kicked back to the garbage pile and never return. Denying people a second chance is both foolish and wrong.

For me he is a good appointment purely becuase he is an English coach who believes in playing quality football and puts technical ability ahead of size, strength and 'passion' which is exactly what is needed in the English game.
 
Rich_L said:
14 years ago he said something offensive unrelated to football, lost his job and apologised for any offence caused - an effective lifetime ban from any form of employment by the FA seems a grossly disproportionate and unreasonable response to me.

Come back in 15 years when Ron Atkinson gets offered a consulting role on a committee about football development and I'm sure the lack of outrage will be just as deafening.
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Well said.

Although Ron Atkinson should never come back. Useless dinosaur of a coach.
 
craptakular said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24453688

Now this sickens me, I cannot believe this guy is allowed to come back in any capacity with the FA.

My Dad is severely disabled, I just feel that after all the hard work with Kick it Out and getting equality into the game we take this massive step backwards.

This is an emotive subject for me so I expect OCUK fully to be against me but hey ho.

Should we get Ron Atkinson in as well?
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Looks like this is a harsh life lesson in using people for your own benefit.

You have to weigh your personal dislike for someone or their views against the benefit they can provide to you or your company/team.

In other words, not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

In this instance however, I dont think Hoddle brings any benefit what so ever to the set up irrespective of what he has said in the past.
 
G|mp said:
Fantastic appointment, the last time England had a decent team with some kind of direction was when we had Hoddle.

Whatever he may have said outside of that I couldn't give a **** about.
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This pretty much, under him we looked bloody good.

Fact is people make mistakes, he apologised for his stupid comments, got punished for it and is probably a better person for it. Sometimes its just best to leave stuff like that in the past and stop bringing it up 14 yrs later.
 
Am I missing something at the 98 World cup we beat the mighty mighty Tunisia, Columbia, lost to Romania in the group stage, then went out at the first knock out stage to Argentina..... beating Columbia and Tunisia counts as doing really well now does it? Even in qualification stage we drew and lost to Italy though we came above them in the group and qualified automatically. WE came relatively close to beating Argentina and England fans like to believe without the red card we'd magically have won the tournament, but the reality is Argentina got dumped out in the next round and the Argy's haven't looked good since the 90 final.

In 96 we beat Holland, Spain, Scotland and drew with the Swiss... is that not noticeably better?

Either way, Hoddle managed a team in a world cup, he's now been employed off that qualification..... to change youth training in this country. These things aren't linked, he's shown no particular qualification other than being another man in the England old boys club. We've failed to make any significant changes in 15 years while most other countries in Europe have precisely because these are the idiots we keep hiring to make changes.
 
I don't know how old you are DM and if you remember actually watching the England teams back then but it was completely different England performances.

It's the old stats situation again where they can be used to argue anything, here's another one, Roy Hodgson has only lost one competitive game. Better than any England manager since Alf Ramsey then?
 
I'm happy for Hoddle to be involved again. I was too young to remember much about the performances, but I know my dad used to get mega excited (and nervous) for pretty much every match, now he doesn't bother watching most of them.
 
A good move by the FA i feel. A very tactically aware fellow both on and off the pitch. He certainly knows his football there's no question of that.

TBH i couldn't give a rats *** about what he does or says off the pitch.

Agree with other that a hell of a lot more need to be done at grassroots level though as I also fear for the future of the England team.

Could you pick a team in 5 or 10 years time that could actually be a solid, good team? - I don't think i could.
 
If I stood in the crowd at a match saying that disabled people were being punished for what they did in a past life I'd probably get a lifetime ban and arrested for a public order offense, this numpty gets a job at the FA. :p

Any success he had managing England will have been primarily down to our team in that era.
 
I just started a thread on an extract taken from Harry Redknapp's autobiography and among other things Redknapp talks about the England side lacking any sort of identity since the days of Hoddle.

I'm a bit too young to remember how England played in any great detail when he was manager but I've always remembered his love affair with Jamie Redknapp (due to his passing ability) and whenever he talks about football you can tell that he has a very clear idea as to how the game should be played and that's not two banks of four, pumping long balls forward.

Yes, his religious views are a bit weird but providing he remembers to keep them to himself (from a professional capacity anyway), I think having a proper football man that has a clear idea of how the game should be played on the commission can only be a good thing.
 
Hoddle? Glenn Hoddle? The same Glenn Hoddle that fell out with a number of senior players, publicly blamed others for defeats and played tactically aware but horrifically boring football? That Glenn Hoddle? Awful manager that cared more about himself and his reputation than his players or England. Some fairly large blinkers must've been purchased in the late 90's going from some of the posts above.
 
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G|mp said:
I don't know how old you are DM and if you remember actually watching the England teams back then but it was completely different England performances.

It's the old stats situation again where they can be used to argue anything, here's another one, Roy Hodgson has only lost one competitive game. Better than any England manager since Alf Ramsey then?
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First, I do remember, second it wasn't great football, third the apparent gulf in quality between us and Spain today and us and say Spain back then, is that Spain, Germany, even Belgium now have MOVED ON from where they were in the 90's... Hoddle is merely going back to where we were in the 90's, which wasn't good enough then.

But again people are saying he did brilliantly with England... but he didn't, he pee'd off just about the entire nation, the players, thought a faith healer was the route to winning and got knocked out by a meh Argentina who weren't very good first game out of the group stage, that is the same stage we generally always get to, group stage with 2 bad teams maybe one good one, go through in 1st or 2nd place, lose in the first or very occassionally second knock out stage. Exactly how was Hoddle's England more successful?

The thing is, Hoddle never established himself at club level management either, he did pretty mucn nothing at Spurs, half a good season at Southampton and crap at Chelsea is what history seems to suggest.


But again, managing England, adult players for a short period... in what way does that qualify you to change grass roots football? Should we not get someone who has already done it, a proven success, or should we leave it to someone who has frequently alienated everyone around him wherever he works.... does that sound like the guy to back long term changes where he will not act in a football managers capacity in any way at all, but communication and organisation will be what is required?

It's another old England boy getting a fat pay cheque because of who he knows.

Can a university lecturer who is brilliant and brilliant at teaching automatically teach 8yr old kids well? In this situation again I'll point out, he was a manager, successful or not this is not a managerial job. Haven't we had enough of hiring old England managers and players for jobs they have zero qualifications for and have effected absolutely no change in the past 30 years?
 
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