Glenn Hoddle to return to FA as part of Greg Dyke's commission

I didn't say it was great football :confused:

What I said was it was the only England team I can remember that even had a sniff of winning a major tournament (whilst being semi entertaining), we destroyed the Dutch and went pretty damn close to knocking Germany out. What has that Spanish team got to do with it?

You seem confident that Hoddle hasn't learnt anything from football since he was England manager and that he is going to revert back to 90's football? BREAKING NEWS he isn't the manager.

His academy from what I've heard has been a success, taking young players who have been released by clubs and giving them a second chance to prove they can cut it, I don't know all the facts but from what I've heard it's been relatively successful, I imagine these are the reasons he's been asked to come into advise of a direction.

You're talking like he has been offered the England Managers job.
 
The main problem with that is...... under Robson in 1990, we drew with the dutch and almost beat the Germans. In 96 we actually did thrash the Dutch, beat Spain and almost beat Germany... but that was Venebles.

In 98, under Hoddle we got beaten by Romania, beat Tunisia and Columbia, came second in the group and got beaten by Argetina... no we didn't come close to winning the cup because you're remembering the entirely wrong tourament.

his academy has been a success? It seems he gets people to sign because particularly guys at English clubs think the chance to work under Hoddle is a big deal I would assume.

Either way he's taking guys who have already had training and have been released from clubs, he's not taking youngsters really and his academy hasn't done an awful lot. Outside of propping up a failing club for a while with his academy players, meh. He certainly hasn't created any stars, considering his aim was specifically to find guys released from championship and prem clubs who would be trained and then go back to a championship or prem club, he's not attained any of his goals.

I fail to see how this qualifies him for a high wage job in charge of an entire nation of talent. He couldn't pick or spot talent when he was looking for 40 guys.

We could have ignored random ex England players, and gone and looked for someone who has already overseen a successful change in grass roots football.

He was a great player and England international, as we've seen that usually means gets a shot at management if he wants it. He didn't excel anywhere, he certainly didn't excel with england, he seemed to irk everyone he worked with from management, players, media and the public, has daft "out there" views. Tried to make a successful academy and after 5 years really hasn't done anything with it except pay out of pocket to place some of the players in a failing Spanish team who were going bankrupt.

There is a group of people behind the turn around in SPain, another group behind the turn around in Germany and Belgium and frankly many other places with proven track records who have actually already done what we want to do. instead we are throwing money at about the 4th ex England player in a row to try and attempt the same thing, again a man with no experience, no qualifications except he's friends with people high up at the FA.

I'm talking like he's been offered the England manager job, even though I specifically pointed out his ONLY previous experience of any note is football manager and this isn't that job. I reference the type of football he played, because that is England's problem we keep trying to fix it with old players who played donkeys years ago, who managed a long time ago, who weren't ever particularly successful in those jobs and these are the people that have failed to have any impact at all over and over and over again. Trevor Brooking has basically had this job(or a different job and the same mandate) for the past several years and achieved nothing, because hiring from the old boys network is about giving a mate a job and getting him a paycheque, not about getting the right man for the job.
 
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G|mp said:
What I said was it was the only England team I can remember that even had a sniff of winning a major tournament (whilst being semi entertaining), we destroyed the Dutch and went pretty damn close to knocking Germany out. What has that Spanish team got to do with it?
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Not to be too picky but wasn't El Tel the manager at Euro 96 when England put four past the Netherlands?

I've got no strong feelings about the man coming back to the England set-up except that he's probably paid his dues after over a decade away from the international team.
 
Oh **** yeah sorry it was a Venables against the Dutch :/ :D

My point still stands that under Hoddle they seemed to have a purpose, a way of playing that we haven't seen in England since, his academy seems to forward thinking is what my point was, if it wasn't a success it would have fallen on its arse way before now, I've also not heard of it being done before. I think he's worth a go.
 
"FA chairman Greg Dyke has confirmed that former England manager Glenn Hoddle will be on the commission that is to look at ways of developing English talent."

Is also what the role is, it's not like he's being given the keys to English football, he's on a panel to advise.
 
It's good to get a mix of experiences. Some racial/sexual diversity may be good if those groups face unique challenges during their footballing development.

At least Gradi's involved, you never know, maybe things will change for the better. Maybe we can screw over the smaller clubs again to benefit the big clubs academies.
 
G|mp said:
Oh **** yeah sorry it was a Venables against the Dutch :/ :D

My point still stands that under Hoddle they seemed to have a purpose, a way of playing that we haven't seen in England since, his academy seems to forward thinking is what my point was, if it wasn't a success it would have fallen on its arse way before now, I've also not heard of it being done before. I think he's worth a go.
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:D I can't really remember England under Hoddle all that well but after 98/2000 I've got to admit a certain lack of interest due to Scotland's ineptitude. :( I wouldn't dispute that England displayed more purpose before that point than they've done after though.

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Ultimately, I want the best people for the job. That said, I'd rather see Sol Campbell there than Howard Wilkinson :rolleyes:
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That's a bit like saying you'd rather see a wooden fencepost than Wilkinson though isn't it? Anything being less useless than... or as it's sometimes known damning with faint praise...
 
G|mp said:
Oh **** yeah sorry it was a Venables against the Dutch :/ :D

My point still stands that under Hoddle they seemed to have a purpose, a way of playing that we haven't seen in England since, his academy seems to forward thinking is what my point was, if it wasn't a success it would have fallen on its arse way before now, I've also not heard of it being done before. I think he's worth a go.
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The thing is though he 'inherited' a decent team rather than developing them himself. Yes England were OK at that time but I don't think he can take all the credit, I don't think he took us massively further forward than Venables. If rumours are to be believed he also hated being shown up by Gazza / Le Tissier in training, hence why there was the ludicrous situation of MLT being in the starting XI for the abandoned game against Ireland and then randomly dropped from the entire squad next time out.

You look at his club record and it is nothing special either, I think 9th is his highest ever top flight finish in his entire career (worse than Robson, Taylor, Venables, Keegan, Sven, Mclaren, Capello, Hodgson etc I pretty much every permanent manager I can remember!)?

Ironically he might actually be OK in a role where he's not directly interacting with the players, but from his punditry I'm not convinced.
 
manic111 said:
Ultimately, I want the best people for the job. That said, I'd rather see Sol Campbell there than Howard Wilkinson :rolleyes:
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Sols agent was on talk sport a couple of weeks ago saying how Sol would have to go abroad to get a chance as a manager.

The whole interview implied that it was because it was black, not because he didn't have any experience as a manager, or coach, or the fact he might be a complete bell end.
 
I thought after he got sacked for being an idiot last time Hoddle went away to Spain to teach youth players that were given contracts at early ages but ultimately didn't make it at the big time to find smaller clubs and develop them further into better players and people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Hoddle_Academy

He's a numpty (to put it in forum friendly terms) for saying what he said, but he seems to have been working in youth development for a few years which is where he has been employed.
 
Someone at the FA better be at least watching EuroSport right now. This U17 Brazil team is brutal!
 
I said it the second they asked Hoddle, this isn't about doing the right thing, it's about pretending you give a damn what well liked figures in football, or friends of friends whatever, say.

If they wanted to know how to make English youth better, they should go to any of the dozens of people involved in absolutely overhauling any of the countries that have already successfully done what we want to do. Asking a bunch of numpties with zero qualifications on the matter what they think is how we have failed to "fix" our youth training by previously for 15 years asking stupid people how to implement change and it doing nothing every single time.
 
Agree but the problem is that no one from foreign FA's or top leagues in the likes of Spain, Germay or Belgium would agree to help to improve the English national team it wouldn't really be in their interests. The only way I could see them getting such people on board is if they dressed it up as a way of helping increase physical activity levels in children.
 
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