Glorious Gannets.

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I went back to Bempton cliffs yesterday, I really wanted some nice portraits of the Gannets, although they're very photogenic, its difficult to get good static shots as they spend they're time charging around in the air, flight shots get boring after the 1000th time, even though they do look great as they go past with their funky stripey feet!
It turned out that the only possible way to get the shot was to wait for one of the passing birds to stop in the cliff top and collect some nesting material, luckily one of them stopped near some purple flowers which brought a nice splash of purple into the bokeh.

If anyone is thinking about getting some nice bird pictures from somewhere where there are plenty of opportunities and no need to wait around in a hide for 6 hours, Bempton is currently in full swing,, although I used the 600 for these shots I did take a few with the 300, mainly to stop it weeping in its case at night :D,
You'll get cracking shots on any gear with any lens capable of 100-300mm, and its great fun and challenging trying to nail them in flight.

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Razorbill thrown in for good measure.

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There are also a lot more puffins knocking around, very pretty birds but they get done to death by everyone at this time of the year, they're always great to see though.

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Stunning as ever mate. 2 and 5 are my favourites.

Anyone else want to join me in calling for V-spec to be banned for showing the rest of us up?

:D

Panzer
 
Number 2 steals the show.

You'll have to buy yourself some pruning gloves to make sure you don't cut yourself on that it's so sharp :eek: :D
 
Now i know you spent a lot of cash on that lens, and some people may call it crazy, but it's producing examples like these (i know it's the photographer not the camera, i refer to the sharpness) that must make it all worthwhile. Ridiculously sharp, focal points perfect.

Out of curiosity, how fast is this thing,for example, at locking on to a bird in flight?

Again.... stunning.
 
If its anything like the Nikon 600/4 it'll be lightening fast!! The only trouble with the big glass can be finding your subject in the view finder if your focussed in totally the wrong place lol

Have you got a 1.4x for this? You should find it won't really lose any sharpness :D
 
Now i know you spent a lot of cash on that lens, and some people may call it crazy, but it's producing examples like these (i know it's the photographer not the camera, i refer to the sharpness) that must make it all worthwhile. Ridiculously sharp, focal points perfect.

Out of curiosity, how fast is this thing,for example, at locking on to a bird in flight?

Again.... stunning.

Cheers :)

Birds in flight are never easy, the lens has the fastest focussing motor in the world for a 600mm lens, almost as quick as the 300 which is totally instant.
With birds in flight its more how your camera is setup and how you use it that determines how quick you can get it to lock, rather than the AF speed of the lens.
A lot of the time you need to give the camera around 1/2 a second to predict how fast the subject is moving so it can set the AF tracking correctly, before you take a shot.
 
Cheers :)

Birds in flight are never easy, the lens has the fastest focussing motor in the world for a 600mm lens, almost as quick as the 300 which is totally instant.
With birds in flight its more how your camera is setup and how you use it that determines how quick you can get it to lock, rather than the AF speed of the lens.
A lot of the time you need to give the camera around 1/2 a second to predict how fast the subject is moving so it can set the AF tracking correctly, before you take a shot.

What settings do you use for in flight tracking? I know you use Canon so the settings will vary somewhat, but I was have some issues on the Farne Islands. The very flat light didn't help, however my D300+Sigma 300mm f2.8 had some issues with achieving focus lock and keeping the lock. I had most success with AF-C and 21 dynamic points, but it was still erratic. Any tips or suggestions?
 
What settings do you use for in flight tracking? I know you use Canon so the settings will vary somewhat, but I was have some issues on the Farne Islands. The very flat light didn't help, however my D300+Sigma 300mm f2.8 had some issues with achieving focus lock and keeping the lock. I had most success with AF-C and 21 dynamic points, but it was still erratic. Any tips or suggestions?

The MkIII has so many complex af adjustment settings, I've messed around with all of them, I have no idea whether they exist on the D300 or if they do what they're called but i'll list the important ones for you.

I mainly use 2 modes of focussing for birds in flight, the one I use the most is centre point with surrounding assist, this consists of a single point of focus with each point next to it acting as an assistant, so it kind of looks like the figure of 5 on the side of a dice, with the middle point being the main one.
I turn this off if I need absolute precision and just the centre point without any interference (shooting through a bush or grass)

The other mode I use is "ring of fire" where all the points are activated, I use this to pickup birds which move around all over the place, where its impossible to keep a centrepoint pinned on anything, the razorbill shot in this post was taken like this as they're all over the place in the wind.
Trouble with this mode is that the focus points will latch onto the main body of the bird and render the head oof, if it has a long neck like a gannet/swan/goose, if you shoot at F5 or wider.


"AF Tracking sensitivity"
If you're tracking something moving, for example a car coming towards you and you move the camera away from the car to the background, this setting controls the amount of time the camera will take before it focusses to the background if you don't move it back on the car quickly enough, say if the car turned a corner real fast and you lose it in the viewfinder for a second, if you had it turned right up you'd focus to the background making it difficult to get back to the car again.
I have this setting turned right down, if I move off one thing onto something else in flight, i'll re-pump the shutter to force the camera to learn the new subject. If you lose a bird in flight its very difficult to get it back in focus.

"lens drive when AF impossible"
Basically if the camera feels whatever it is your pointing at can't focus, it sends the lens through its focussing range once again as opposed to just stopping. I have this turned on.

"AF tracking method"
Basically means that if you're following something, and something gets in the way, the camera will or will not focus to the new object, I have this turned off so it ignores the foreign object and keeps on the main subject, for example a car going past lampposts which keep interupting the focus.

"AI servo 1st/2nd priority"
Basically means that the camera will either dedicate itself to producing high speed shooting (10fps) or ditching the drive speed and concentrating on AF tracking, so when a bird is moving all over the place, the camera might only let me have 3-4fps at the expense of making sure the subject remains in focus. Normally happens if something turned towards you or away from you very quickly and the camera needs a moment or 2.

"AF point display during focus"
I always have the selected focus point lit up in the viewfinder when doing birds in flight, just to act like a crosshair, I used to do lots of clay pigeon shooting so this sort of thing is natural to me, others prefer it switched off.


I also make a lot of use of the focus limiter switches on my lens, I don't know if the sigma has them, but it basically limits the focussing distance.
For example my 300 F2.8 has 3 settings.

2.5 meters - infinity (the entire range)
2.5 meters - 6.4 meters (close subjects)
6.4 meters - infinity (stuff which never comes close)

This takes a load off the camera as it doesn't need to search through its entire range when you know the object your shooting will always be at a specific distance.
Last week with the Gannets coming around the headland, it was 20 meters away so I had the focus limiter set to 16meters - infinity to catch them quickly as they appeared.

As for general settings, I like to shoot as wide as possible, to get complex backgrounds into a sea of colour and to keep the shutter speeds up, hopefully over 1/640th, unless i'm trying to do arty 1/30th sec pictures. Also, a lot of the time I shoot in single shot mode or 3fps, for the simple reason that you can see what you're taking, 10fps is great as you can capture all different wing positions and poses, but you tend to lose sight of the subject and end up filling your flash cards with pictures that all look the same, plus with the viewfinder rattling around and flashing you pretty much throw composition out of the window.

Other than that, i'd say keep nailing them, not many people use the fancy AF settings on any camera, most people use centre point in some form or another as its the most trustworthy... I do quite a lot of flight stuff, and I do spend quite a bit of time practising on seaguls, some people think that £3k cameras are just p&s at moving targets but it really does take some and practise, i'd say i've spent almost as much time going through the manual on my camera (the pages are falling out, its that worn) as I have shooting birds in flight.
If you go on the FM forums or somewhere similar, there are always people posting their focussing settings up for different cameras, it'd be worth asking on there for advice on specific settings.

Although I post some of my best flight shots on here and places like FM, I do shoot a lot of junk in getting them, i'd say my in focus hit rate is about 50% for fast moving birds, probably 95% for stuff the size of ducks up to swan sized. I think Birds in flight is possibly the hardest test of any AF system you could find.
 
Stunning pics.

Think its time you came to Wales, and give the Red Kite the same treatment.
 
Awesome pics, certainly something i can aspire to :-)

can i ask, i have a 40D and a Sigma 170 - 500mm lens, will i be able to get pictures like the above of the same quality as yours? do you do any processing in photoshop to enhance them at all??

i have been doing wildlife photogrpahy since October 2007 (started in yellowstone :-D)

any advice etc would be very welcome

Many Thanks

Nick
 
Awesome pics, certainly something i can aspire to :-)

can i ask, i have a 40D and a Sigma 170 - 500mm lens, will i be able to get pictures like the above of the same quality as yours? do you do any processing in photoshop to enhance them at all??

i have been doing wildlife photogrpahy since October 2007 (started in yellowstone :-D)

any advice etc would be very welcome

Many Thanks

Nick

Hi Nick - Yellowstone is a great place to start :D, wish I started there!

These shots are all minimally processed, with the exception of correcting white balance, a little recovery on the whites, and a little saturation to bring out the blue eyes of the Gannets, with a little bit of sharpening to bring the sharpness back after resizing, they're all full frame.
The first shot was a nightmare exposure, dark background and a pure white Gannet in the summer sunshine, its had the most work.
In terms of quality, getting the shot with your kit certainly wouldn't be a problem, a 500mm zoom lens is plenty and at Bempton opportunities are plentiful at all ranges.
These pictures were taken on my new setup with a Canon 600 F4, which is a *substantial* amount of monies worth, and produces images which are so sharp with such good colour/contrast, (anyone who knows me is sick of hearing it by now :D )
BUT with all that said, if we both stood side by side and took the same pictures, for example the first 3 portraits of the Gannets. I imagine there would be some difference in sharpness and overall IQ, but they'd still be very nice pictures, only the mega picky geeks would really notice and who cares?
I'm not sure whether the AF of your lens would be quick enough for birds in flight though but i'm sure you could get them with a bit of practise, best thing is to get stuck in.

I think the secret at places like Bempton cliffs, where there are photographs unfolding infront, above and below you all the time - you just need to keep your wits about you and keep an eye out, and make sure you're ready for the unexpected. The gannets in the portraits landed, plucked some grass and flew off in the space of around 5-10 seconds then they were gone.
I look for nice ledges and areas where things can land and lead into a nice background (flowers/grass/whatever)

I tend to think of shots before I take them, I still want a full frame picture of a gannet's head in flight with its beak stuffed full of grass in good light - will try again next week, I had one opportunity but he/she dipped its wing and obscured its eye which wrecked the shot. Also on the walk down to the cliffs, keep an eye out for the jackdaws in the purple flowers as they look great in good light - that kind of stuff wins competitions if its done well and makes a really nice photo.

I'd say think about your composition too, in the past i've found myself being dragged into constant flight shots, which can be good to show off the camera's motor drive ability and my ability to hold focus on a fast moving subject, but ultimatley it doesn't make a very good photograph, just a boring capture in many circumstances, its easy to get sucked into and gets tedious after a while.. Unless its something really spectacular like a snowy owl or something.

I guess all I can really say is just get out as much as you possibly can, keep an eye on the weather forecast and make the best of the light :)
 
Hey!

Many thanks for the reply, very much appreciated, i have been using my lens (initially with my old 350D to capture birds in flight and managed to get a few good shots i think!

when i have a free minute i will post some up for your C&C!!

one more question i have!..... full frame! this probably sounds like a noob question but whats the difference between my 40D and the full frame bodys like the 5D and 1D etc? how does it make a difference when taking pictures?

again thanks

Nick
 
one more question i have!..... full frame! this probably sounds like a noob question but whats the difference between my 40D and the full frame bodys like the 5D and 1D etc? how does it make a difference when taking pictures?

again thanks

Nick

The biggest difference is the crop factor, the 40D has a smaller sensor, so the image is cropped to 1.6x smaller than it would be on a normal full frame camera, so the image appears zoomed in, which is perfect for people who are trying to get every last ounce of magnification. On the flipside its not that wonderful for people who want to take landscapes with their wide angle lenses, as a big majority of the width is cropped by the sensor - thats where a full frame body is more suited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor
 
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