Going back to XP. Has anyone else??

But it shouldn't be that unstable.

You are correct, perhaps I need to look into that more. I'll back up all her stuff to my USB drive and then enable all the eye-candy and all services - in other words run Vista full bore. I'll also grab that service pack that buchered it previously. If the same prob occurs then Dells gettin called.

With hindsight I should have sent it straight back. I fear we may have left it too late....need to check the warranty...
 
I've tried Vista a couple of times and it just seems a bit slow to me, don't know if that due to the hardware i'm running (2ghz amd64, 2 gig ram, nforce3 shuttle) or the stuff the manufacturers were loading it onto when it first appeared. We bought a laptop for the wife last year 1.7 intel, 512mb, it ran so badly we sent it back and spent an extra 50 quid to get a similar spec xp machine.

Got quite a few apps that either crash randomly & repeatedly or just don't work at all.

I don't adjust to new things easily, having to repeatedly tell the machine that i'm sure that i intedend to click the button i clicked (not forgetting the 1/2 second pause each and every time) and having to try and find where they've hidden everything gets on my nerves.

I've not tollerated a Vista install for more than 30 minutes so far. XP works with all my software and it doesn't slow me down at every step.

Guess i need a complete new rig to support the OS.
 
I think some of the above posts highlight why Vista has such a bad rep to some. Vendors really shouldn't be installing Vista on low end PCs/Laptops....but as usual they like to hype their products and boast it comes with a shiny new copy of Vista.

Also, even on my high end rig Vista when first installed did seem a bit slow, it seems to need a settling in phase and just like XP, tweaking it (turning off processes, services you don't need etc) helps a lot. Infact, upgrading to Vista (64 Bit) I feel I went through the same hoops I did when going from 98 SE to XP.....its worth it in the end though, with mostly 64 bit components in my rig it really flys with apps that take advantage of it. Okay, I could just use XP64 but I find the drivers are now more robust under Vista. XP64 never really got its act together.

With games not really much diference but I'm not a bean counter (obsessed with framerate numbers). As long as it works smoothly I'm happy, and all my games do.
 
Okay, I could just use XP64 but I find the drivers are now more robust under Vista. XP64 never really got its act together.

Why, might I ask... Do you feel that XP64 never really got its act together?

With games not really much diference but I'm not a bean counter (obsessed with framerate numbers). As long as it works smoothly I'm happy, and all my games do.

This is somehting that realyl does make me laugh most of the time...

The number of people here say "I get 100FPS in 'X' game" and then 2 minutes later, someone else absolutely slates the poor sods and says that their £150 Graphics card is useless because for just £30 more, they could have bought this other card and they would have had as massive 105FPS and so they are wastign their money!!!

WTF?

Absolute crap.

I have a fairly respectable range of PCs with various specs and there is very very little difference between the lowest and the highest spec PCs in terms of game-play and visuals and you would be hard pressed on most games and only a select few will show up any major differences.... I could name a few games and afew differences for sure, but thats only because I have compared them and seem them for myself on my own systems, but to slagsome poor sod off over somethgin as trivial as what you see every day here, its just downright pathetic.

Even if they are stupid enough to want AMD to replace their Intel and 6600GT in SLI top replace their TOTR8800 GTX!!! - Oh hang on, thats me! LOL
 
Why, might I ask... Do you feel that XP64 never really got its act together?

I had no end of hassles with XP64 drivers for many of my 3d and other apps over the last few years.Well, I could get some working eventually but the next update would break things again, such a pain. It almost put me off getting Vista64 also (thinking things would be the same), but I was pleasantly surprised that the Vista drivers worked flawlessly (for me at least).

I gave up on XP64 in disgust and just have XP32 there now for some really old stuff I use occassionly.
 
This is funny because I have been using XP64 since its release and in fact, I have now moved to XP64 on all my LAN PCs ( Bar 2 which are Vista ) and I am happy to say that in these.. WEll, nearly 4 years of XP64 and 14 PCs, that I have NEVER had a single issue with any 3D App or any app at all really, nor have I had any kind of issue with drivers otther than where a certain driver does not exist, but then, I am also not stupid enough to buy any hardware that I cannto get drivers for? - I mean, sure, when I moved to 64Bit, I had a USB Modem, and my Printer was also not supported, but hell, a Router and a new printer cured that.

Since then, I have 100% perfect success with 100% of my Apps.

Which apps are you talking about?
 
Which apps are you talking about?

I do 3D rendering and music in my spare time but also a bit of paid stuff. Two Apps in particular, Cubase SX2 and Vue Infinite 5-6 were a nightmare. The Cubase dongle needed all sorts of workarounds in x64, drove me insane. Render farm setup on Vue also crapped out most of the time, very annoying when you are doing a 250 frame animation run. Various other applets connected to these as well....not to mention the flakey drivers for the hardware I was using at the time. As this stuff was a part of my livelihood I didn't need that sort of unreliability.

Nice to see you've had things running sweet though, I know a lot of others that run stuff on XP64 fine as well. My original comment wasn't a blanket statement about XP64 in general, just my personal woes with it.
 
I cannot comment on CuBase, as I tried to go to the PC several times over the past 10 or 15 years but I just like my Ataris too much to bother with the PC for that. I use CuBase Audio on my Atari Falcon 060 and CuBase Score on my Atari TT... I find the PC just doesnt do it when it comes to pro music, so its either Apple or Atari Im afraid.

As fur Vue Infinite, my mate uses that in his profession I am very sure on that, and I also know that he runs XP64 too! - I am sure that he does but cannot be 100% sure.

But whatever the facts on this, you are clearly one of the minority then, who has issues with XP64.

I myself would never waste my time going back to 32Bit no matter what except in the cases where I have no choice, and then its Windows 2000 Im afraid.

( That, plus I still have licences for Win2K and I no longer have any spare for XP32 - LOL )
 
First off memory I found your post to be very defensive. Perhaps if you re-read what I wrote you may wish to change your opinion.

no its not...some games are but not all.

Some games are faster on Vista, some are slower. Swings and roundabouts. Exactly how many FPS are we talking about?

common sense would tell u that uve installed something dodgy if all of a sudden your xp installation has gone from being faster than vista to slower just by 3 apps.

Why are you deliberately trying to misquote me? I never stated it 'suddenly' went slower or that it happens after 3 apps. Maybe you should read what I wrote.


how hard should someone have to look ? if there are things there then why not just point them out rather than trying to sound clever about it ?
im not saying vista doesnt have anything more ...im simply stating i havent found it so maybe im missing out and someone can fill in the details.

I guess that depends how superficial you want to be or just how much you are prepared to explorer the depths. Things don't always jump out at you in life.

There is plenty of literature on the Internet about the additional features of Vista and the benefits it provides over XP. Now, you can either google for them as there is quite a lot of literature on it and I am not really prepared to spend too much time trying to educate you as you don't seem a rather willing learner. Or, if you use Vista on a day to day basis then over time you will find them out for yourself. If you are prepared to do this then you will be well aware of what Vista offers over XP.

How long have you actually used Vista for?

but i dont dual boot between vista and a launch version of xp.
its vista with sp1 and xp with sp2.

It doesn't change the facts that Vista is a lot more secure on launch than XP was. I don't understand why you feel the need to say this. I never expected anyone to be booting into the launch version of XP in 2008.

constantly ? no just once would be enough to bring up the promt

Ok, let me ask that question again;

what are you doing so often that brings up the prompt?

you could probably name a few linux ones too but they are neither here or there....im talking present apps which are used with windows.

The point I was making was that when people moved to XP there was Windows 98 applications that didn't work with XP. Likewise with Vista.

Out of curiosity, what applications are you talking about and maybe your defination of 'current apps'. I have quite an extensive suite of applications that are running fine on Vista.

I know that Cubase SX3 doesn't work properly in Vista. But then, that has been superceded by Cubase SX4. In fact, cubase SX3 not working in Vista is one of the reasons why I am still using XP.

I am quite sure that they could make SX3 100% compatible with Vista, however that is not really an issue for Microsoft.


you could have made that list since you typed so much anyway....would have been a lot nicer and more helpful but i guess thats not you.

!!!

To be honest, I could type lists out all day but you would be far better off with actual hands on experience. Trying looking past the 'pretty' interface. Most of the benefits with Vista become apparent over time. Something that no amount of list reading is going to offer you.

none of my friends use vista...a few have tried it but same as me they found it offers little more than a pretty interface.

And with that comment I can only bid you good luck.

:)
 
I'm on a dual core 1.86ghz 1gb ram.. Vista Home Premium, Aero on etc.

Working fine for me, not slow at all... Am I missing something here:confused:
 
I'm on a dual core 1.86ghz 1gb ram.. Vista Home Premium, Aero on etc.

Working fine for me, not slow at all... Am I missing something here:confused:

Not really. I would say out of 100 Vista installs about 5-10 machines may experience some issues and I imagine that these are brought about by companies using really old drivers on a brand new machine. In some cases certain OEM's use proprietory hardware and 'never' update their drivers. Of course companies such as nVidia are on the 3rd generation of drivers for that product, but because the customer 'needs' to install the 'OEM' version to maintain their 'warranty' then they suffer with performance and reliability issues needlessly.

Now, I would say that out of 100 forum comments that claim Vista is rubbish 90 have never actually used it.

For example.

a) You install Vista and you get no problems.

b) You install Vista and you get issues - you post on forums and moan a little - you find answer to issues - you stick with Vista

c) You install Vista and you get issues - you post on forums and moan a little - you find answer to issues - they don't work for you - you post on forums and moan a lot - you ditch vista.

Generally with b and c people are giving specific reasons why vista is rubbish. c type people will certainly give their reasons why Vista is rubbish. they will be shouting it from the rooftops.

Now, ask yourself is the following plausible.

d) You install Vista and you get no problems - you post on forums moaning about how it is just a pretty interface and it offers you nothing over xp and that you hate it and that xp is far better than vista and you are going back to xp and never using vista again.

:)
 
I love XP64 runs everything great 4gb ram + XFI i dual boot it with Vista x64 and have no problems with that either:) but i still use XP64 for gaming so for me that is like 75% of the time i am using XP64. I still use Vista x64 25% of the time for web, vid's and pic's.;)
 
Im on Vista64 again now and Im tryign to stick to it but I get such narky issues that I never have in XP64 that I really want to go back... At the same time I dont want to... Its just so hard because... Well they both have their advantages.

I got to be honest with myself here, but XP64 in its over 3 years of use has never given me any trouble at all except in the first few weeks when I had certain driver issues, and then when a few apps failed to work properly, such as Partition Magic 8 ( Now using Acronis ) and O&O DeFrag ( Downloaded the 64Bit version instead ) and its flawless.

Vista64 on the other hand works great but has silly issues such as randomly pausing for a second during Video playback, Dawn Of War looking like crap even when all *** visuals are on high, NFSU2 hanging on a race, my router also disconnects for some strange reason and this NEVER happens except when I try running Vista64 on this machine?? there are a few other silly issues... O&O DeFrag seems to take 300 years to analyse a disk, Nero 6 dont play nice and I hate Nero 7 + 8 ( Sad, but there you go ).
I would have gone back to XP64 last night and the night before and the night before that for a good 2 weeks now, this has gone on, but I just cant be bothered otherwise, vista would be in the MM as this is now the 7th time I have done this and I am now sick of it... But as I said, the thing is so lcose to being right and its getting closer and closer.... Its juts not quite there!!

Annoying.
 
Vista is my OS of choice for general use, i find it to be so much more stable than XP. Vista very rarely crashes on me and i when it does its usually down to my Zyxel wireless dongle driver (Vista64).

But i still use XP for Cubase.

Just built a new computer and have just finished install XP & XP64 and Vista 32 & 64 - Get the best of all worlds :D
 
I had vista for a short while then switched back to XP MCE - way to many problems and half the programs I use didn't work on Vista Ultimate 64bit. I was actually tempted to give it another go now, its been over a year.
 
My main system is an xp home setup, laptop is vista 32 and my backup desktop is vista 32. had a few hardware problems recently on the main rig so i found myself using the two vista rigs more often, and starting to like it. its convinced me to change the main machine over to vista 64.
 
Yea that is the thing xp with sp2 does everything well so it's like buying a brand new pair of shoes when you just bought a pair they look nice but aren't really needed.

People just like the idea of using 4gig + of ram it extends the old epeen don't ya know.

I'll get rid of xp only when I see many benefits in doing so and i cannot see any at the moment.

All vista is to me is xp with a shiny interface and the ability to utilize more ram.
 
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