Going from manual to automatic

[Participant]

It's like you follow me around like a little dog, it's really very amusing, I know with absolute certainty that if I make certain posts you'll be there 10 minutes later with a reply, even if we are in GD in a thread about chcolate or something

I simply feel compelled to confront injustice wherever I find it. It just so happens that a disproportionate amount of it comes from your keyboard! However if it boosts your ego to believe that I have some kind of browser script set up to alert me when [TW]Fox makes another post, then keep right on.

 

[DM]

I've never understood that either, other people's brake lights don't bother me

Nor me, when there are so many things to moan about on our roads, peoples brake lights rank alongside people with music on in cars as far as im concerned, its a non problem.

Long live the auto gearbox!

 

[DM]

I've had 2 days experience, how much more do I need to know I prefer changing gears.
Automatic cars just don't feel right, just generally an unsatisfying drive as it's so boring, at least when you're changing gears there is something to do with the left side of your body.

See you didnt give it long enough to come to appreciate the real merits of an auto, and your left hand side.

Left foot for tapping to music, and left hand for eating and drinking

 

[rypt]

Because it will never be able to predict with 100% certainty the desired driving style. Switchable sport modes are far better as the user gets to chose how they wish the box to respond, rather than the box having to guess how the user wants it to respond.

There is no reason why it could not predict it properly.
If there is lots of Yaw changes, full throttle use, etc within the last xxx minutes then be in sport mode, else be in crap mode

 

[Jez]

There is no reason why it could not predict it properly.
If there is lots of Yaw changes, full throttle use, etc within the last xxx minutes then be in sport mode, else be in crap mode

Better go and contact some AT manufacturers then and tell them that you know best! Massive money for somebody as innovative as you, so massive infact that you could afford to buy the MR2 you crave without first needing to sell the celica!

 

[rypt]

I don't need to sell the Celica, I got enough money to buy the MR-S at the moment, I WANT to sell the Celica first before getting something else

 

[beermonster]

There is no reason why it could not predict it properly.
If there is lots of Yaw changes, full throttle use, etc within the last xxx minutes then be in sport mode, else be in crap mode

9 times out of 10 auto boxes are correct in selecting the correct gear for the given situation, they do follow a set program that takes into account speed, throttle postion and current gear, from this info they then follow a predetermined program in order to give the best of a given situation.

For example your pootling along a 30mph residential area the auto is in 2nd gear maybe, a kid runs out you lift off, and hit the brakes, the complex programmed ecu will detect throttle position and engage overrun clutch for engine braking and then adjust to the reduced speed.

Another example you might be on a single lane carriage way and wish to over take, but your in top gear with a quarter throttle, so you hit the gas the auto box then detect throttle is wide open, but hang on im in top gear in order to give maximum acceleration I need to change down, so guess what it does.

If you know your going to be doing some spirited driving down the back lanes one sunny afternoon on the way home from work, you simply engage sport mode or what ever and it becomes even more responsive as it knows you want maximum acceleration all the time.

 

[Moeks]

I simply feel compelled to confront injustice wherever I find it. It just so happens that a disproportionate amount of it comes from your keyboard! However if it boosts your ego to believe that I have some kind of browser script set up to alert me when [TW]Fox makes another post, then keep right on.

Well you either must be a very, very, very busy chap then or a very, very, very bored one (depending on how you look at it) ...because there is a **** load 'internet injustice' out there that could use your attention.

Which reminds me, I really ought to buy one of those T-Shirts that says something like "Internet: Serious Business!" ...oh and the one that says "I am a level 12 Paladin!" ...defender of the peace, seeker of justice, etc.

 

[iaind]

Why not, choice is a good thing. If you dont WANT to chose, you dont have to, you can simply leave it in normal mode, but the choice is there if you want it?

Because they seem to work better with a bit of intelligence. Was driving to Sidmouth the other day, stuck behind a tractor - car was quite happily ticking along in a high gear at low revs. When the gap opened up to get past safely, I just needed to indicate and put my foot down - the car took it right into the power band without any fuss. I don't want to have to think "better put the gearbox in sport mode" in situations like that.

I may be wrong, I could be misunderstanding how these things work as my experience with older boxes is limited, but for my needs and in my opinion I'd rather just let the car work it out for me. That was the point of getting the auto in the first place

I am hoping the means you were being sarcastic, because I never understand this complaint, do these people on a motorway when everyone in front slams on brakes do they immediately crash with all the blinding light?

A bit sarcastic, but it is an issue. They arent blinding, but in some situations it is a PITA. Depending on the car in front and the conditions (rainy nights are the worse), the lights can be dazzling. Not a problem for a short stop, but when you're sitting in a lengthy jam after a long day at work, having a bright red light shine in your face for long periods of time can provoke quite a headache.

 

[Moeks]

Because they seem to work better with a bit of intelligence. Was driving to Sidmouth the other day, stuck behind a tractor - car was quite happily ticking along in a high gear at low revs. When the gap opened up to get past safely, I just needed to indicate and put my foot down - the car took it right into the power band without any fuss. I don't want to have to think "better put the gearbox in sport mode" in situations like that.

I may be wrong, I could be misunderstanding how these things work as my experience with older boxes is limited, but for my needs and in my opinion I'd rather just let the car work it out for me. That was the point of getting the auto in the first place

That's fine when you are just performing a simple overtake yes, that is how they are supposed to work, and if you really floor it, it'll kickdown and to get maximum acceleration.

There are various reasons to have different gearbox modes, but to continue a theme and use Sport mode as the example here; you don't really use it each time you want to over-take, you use it when you want to keep the car on the boil, i.e. in a lower gear all the time you are in said mode, also many sport modes on gearboxes also increase throttle response, making the car feel sharper and quicker to respond, it will hold gears for longer and wont change up so quickly when you ease off.

You change mode when you are changing the driving conditions or the way in which you want to drive the car for a while ...not just to overtake someone.

 

[iaind]

Overtaking probably wasnt the best example, hooning might be better. After a minute or so of giving it a blast, it seems to adapt - keeps the car in a much higher gear anyway.

 

[Pyscho_Si]

I have to admit I rarely take mine out of comfort mode. Actually thinking about it I think I've only put it into sports mode about twice since I've had the car.

 

[Justintime]

Hunt continues, seems they found some discrepency with regards to it being accident repaired after an inspection and are now in the process of taking the part ex guy to court or something. At least they were honest with me.