Going on Strike

=VTA=MANFACE · 7 Aug 2009 at 13:58

zytok said:
I did read your post and was incredulous as to how you considered posties to have awful hours and numerous dangers. OK there's the odd dog to contend with which I shouldn't imagine is very nice but I would have to reiterate that I'd much rather stick a letter through a postbox at 10am than put out a burning inferno at 2am.

Yeah, sorry, did you forget the point I was getting at? Seems like you didn't mention the dreary construction industry. :rolleyes:

zytok · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:04

I'm sure the construction industry has many injuries/deaths as do many other industries/professions. It was the posties to firemen comparison I was referring to.

jamief · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:06

=VTA=MANFACE said:
They talk about the job being dangerous ? I bet being a postman has more dangers, plus, the construction industry has the most hazardous working conditions and "MORE" deaths than being a fireman.

Blatant troll, but I'll bite.

You aren't seriously suggesting that

a) Being a postman is more dangerous than being a fireman
b) You can compare the services - delivering mail or putting out fires and saving lives

Firemen save lives EVERY day. Having friends in the fireservice the utter ***** you are spouting is quite incredible, and I can only assume you suffer from some kind of mild retardation.

Captain_Slick · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:21

jamief said:
Firemen save lives EVERY day. Having friends in the fireservice the utter ***** you are spouting is quite incredible, and I can only assume you suffer from some kind of mild retardation.

Which is why it smacks of greed when they strike even though they're already very well compensated for doing such an amazing job.

jamief · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:32

Captain_Slick said:
Which is why it smacks of greed when they strike even though they're already very well compensated for doing such an amazing job.

I don't think anyone should ever strike.

My point was nothing to do with striking however, it was to do with Einstein up there comparing the dangers faced by postmen and those faced by firefighters

zytok · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:33

what he said ^^^^^

=VTA=MANFACE · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:38

jamief said:
Blatant troll, but I'll bite.

You aren't seriously suggesting that

a) Being a postman is more dangerous than being a fireman
b) You can compare the services - delivering mail or putting out fires and saving lives

Firemen save lives EVERY day. Having friends in the fireservice the utter ***** you are spouting is quite incredible, and I can only assume you suffer from some kind of mild retardation.

Why do you all quote the postie thing and not the construction industry ?

I was making a point about striking. a lot of people were going about how wrong it is for posties to strike, I put a point about firemen were striking and how wrong that was. Also the point that some people -like you - think a fireman's job is the most dangerous in the world, It's not !

I don't think you suffer from mild retardation, you have the full symptoms.

zytok · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:40

=VTA=MANFACE said:
Why do you all keep picking me up on the complete BS I posted a short while ago.

=VTA=MANFACE · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:42

^^ Twitter

zytok · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:42

oh come on, that was worth a titter, even from you ......

meghatronic · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:43

Striking should be made illegal. Don't like your job? Walk.

Glaucus · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:45

meghatronic said:
Striking should be made illegal. Don't like your job? Walk.

Walk where?
Many public jobs there is no alternative. It's not like private sector where you have 10+ companies competing against each other. Many public jobs are 100% monopolys. So where are you going to walk to with your skills and training? Or do you expect people to start at the bottom of the ladder again.

jamief · 7 Aug 2009 at 14:47

=VTA=MANFACE said:
I was making a point about striking. a lot of people were going about how wrong it is for posties to strike, I put a point about firemen were striking and how wrong that was. Also the point that some people -like you - think a fireman's job is the most dangerous in the world, It's not !

Firstly, I don't think you made the point you intended to make.

Secondly, could you quote where I said "a fireman's job is the most dangerous in the world"? I didn't say that - there are clearly more dangerous jobs, but there are few jobs where lives are saved in such a manner (maybe Coastguard/RNLI and paramedics). Disrespecting the fire service shows what kind of person you are - I hope you never need their services.

And thirdly - my views on striking are that nobody should ever strike, whatever industry.

=VTA=MANFACE · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:01

jamief said:
Firstly, I don't think you made the point you intended to make.

Secondly, could you quote where I said "a fireman's job is the most dangerous in the world"? I didn't say that - there are clearly more dangerous jobs, but there are few jobs where lives are saved in such a manner (maybe Coastguard/RNLI and paramedics). Disrespecting the fire service shows what kind of person you are - I hope you never need their services.

And thirdly - my views on striking are that nobody should ever strike, whatever industry.

If you read my "First" post, you'll clearly - Crystal- see that was my point.

Plus, when did I "Disrespect" the fire service ?

Plus, Firemen "Did" strike... "Sorry Guv, not going to save that woman and baby from that burning house, till I get a pay rise"

Jeff Lynne · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:22

Captain_Slick said:
But you're still working the extra without pay...

There's no reason to point the finger at management when you've agreed to work the extra for no money and then turn around and say you want to be paid for the extra yet still work the extra anyway.

Either work extra for no pay or don't work the extra until they start paying you. Continuing to work for nothing whilst asking to be paid just shows the management that you'll continue to work extra for nothing.

You don't understand. The agreement was that we take on the extra work when the traffic is down, all in an effort to cut the number of hours in use across the whole office. I, and many others am able to absorb that extra work into my woirking day. The only reason I mentioned for "no extra money" was to highlight the fact that we aren't getting paid any more money to do the extra work.

The problem now is that we've taken on the extra work to achieve last years savings and now they're saying, well, you can do that so now we need to take another 500 hours out of the office so they're making us do more additional unpaid work. If it takes us beyond our time they won't pay us overtime.

RDM · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:25

Jeff Lynne said:
You don't understand. The agreement was that we take on the extra work when the traffic is down, all in an effort to cut the number of hours in use across the whole office. I, and many others am able to absorb that extra work into my woirking day. The only reason I mentioned for "no extra money" was to highlight the fact that we aren't getting paid any more money to do the extra work.

How many hours do you get paid for and how many hours do you do?

Jeff Lynne · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:25

zytok said:
but your quote from the union guy says about job cuts so if the guy next to me is right then it wouldn't be job cuts as such???
Don't think you're gonna win too much support with your "they're all crap" mentality......

You're talking about two different things. A job cut is more than Bill Bloggs getting sacked you know. What if Eric Hippopotamous retires next week from his 40hr per week job and his job becomes vacant but they decide to turn his 40hr full time vacancy into a 30hr part time vacancy? Thats a job cut that they're doing more and more.

Jeff Lynne · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:30

jamief said:
Blatant troll, but I'll bite.

You aren't seriously suggesting that

a) Being a postman is more dangerous than being a fireman
b) You can compare the services - delivering mail or putting out fires and saving lives

Firemen save lives EVERY day. Having friends in the fireservice the utter ***** you are spouting is quite incredible, and I can only assume you suffer from some kind of mild retardation.

How many friends / firemen have you known that have died or suffered serious injury in the line of duty?

I can think of at least two postmen that have died whilst working, two that have been shot, countless dog attacks (including two on myself) and aside from that there are the general health concerns that go along with it.

You'd be surprised at the dangers of a job that involves criss-crossing busy roads!

Dolph · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:35

Jeff Lynne said:
You don't understand. The agreement was that we take on the extra work when the traffic is down, all in an effort to cut the number of hours in use across the whole office. I, and many others am able to absorb that extra work into my woirking day. The only reason I mentioned for "no extra money" was to highlight the fact that we aren't getting paid any more money to do the extra work.

I take it this agreement was as an alternative to paying hours actually worked each week, which would have resulted in lower pay when working requirements were low. If this was the case, then it's entirely justified.

The problem now is that we've taken on the extra work to achieve last years savings and now they're saying, well, you can do that so now we need to take another 500 hours out of the office so they're making us do more additional unpaid work. If it takes us beyond our time they won't pay us overtime.

Are they actually making you do additional hours overall, or is this a follow on from the protests a few years back about postmen being made to work all their hours if they finished the task they had been given early rather than just going home?

Jeff Lynne · 7 Aug 2009 at 15:37

RDM said:
How many hours do you get paid for and how many hours do you do?

I get paid for 48 hrs but rarely do that much.