Golders Green attack
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I imagine it will be usual spurious claim that reporting facts of a case, prior to a conviction, somehow constitutes a risk of 'contempt of court' or some similar nonsense about it preventing a 'fair' trial that's easily exposed by contrasting and comparing statements made by senior politicians in the Thomas Mair case shortly after his arrest at the scene of the crime and by other reporting of notable people arrested but not yet convicted (or even charged).
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This guy should have been deported years ago. How many more of him have we let in and given citizenship to?
The absolute state of the hypocrisy in this thread.
Let's get one thing straight - the scumbag who stabbed two innocent blokes in London deserves the full weight of the law, there is absolutely no excuse for it. But watching some of you guys suddenly pretend to care about the sanctity of human life when you've spent the last six months cheering on the Zionist project while it levels city blocks and wipes out thousands of civilians is genuinely nauseating.
You can't have it both ways. You can't be "tough on terror" when it's a bloke with a knife on our streets, but turn a blind eye to state-sanctioned murder just because the UK government signs off on it. Human life is human life. If you only care about the victims when it suits your politics, you don't actually care about justice at all.
You're right about the geopolitical context, but you're giving the attacker too much credit.
I have zero love for the Zionist project, what's happening over there is abhorrent and the UK's complicity in it is a disgrace to human rights, but conflating the murderous actions of a foreign state with two innocent blokes walking down a street in North London is exactly what the state of Israel wants people to do. They want to tie the religion to their state violence.
Being anti-Zionist means standing up for human life across the board. Stabbing random people on the street isn't "resistance" it's murder. **** this guy and his ******** attack, keep the pressure on the actual government enabling the slaughter abroad!
Let's get one thing straight - the scumbag who stabbed two innocent blokes in London deserves the full weight of the law, there is absolutely no excuse for it. But watching some of you guys suddenly pretend to care about the sanctity of human life when you've spent the last six months cheering on the Zionist project while it levels city blocks and wipes out thousands of civilians is genuinely nauseating.
You can't have it both ways. You can't be "tough on terror" when it's a bloke with a knife on our streets, but turn a blind eye to state-sanctioned murder just because the UK government signs off on it. Human life is human life. If you only care about the victims when it suits your politics, you don't actually care about justice at all.
You're right about the geopolitical context, but you're giving the attacker too much credit.
I have zero love for the Zionist project, what's happening over there is abhorrent and the UK's complicity in it is a disgrace to human rights, but conflating the murderous actions of a foreign state with two innocent blokes walking down a street in North London is exactly what the state of Israel wants people to do. They want to tie the religion to their state violence.
Being anti-Zionist means standing up for human life across the board. Stabbing random people on the street isn't "resistance" it's murder. **** this guy and his ******** attack, keep the pressure on the actual government enabling the slaughter abroad!
Loads and loads, now they have the same rights as you and me. They are as British as you.
British people being more concerned about what is happening their streets and to their people is entirely normal. The majority of us have zero links to Gaza, don’t want to go there and don’t have much in common with the people there. Don’t forget Palestinians are the reason we have airport security, they had a habit of hijacking or blowing up planes.
For such a small group of people the list of achievements is truly remarkable, they even have their own wiki:
Now that they've officially released the name we can see that this guy has had a bit of a knife issue for some time:
Also ministers are getting all tough and reassuring people etc.. but remember just 2 years ago a knifeman was at risk of trying something similar and look what happened:
www.thejc.com
Similarly:
Perhaps individuals who threaten or attack others with knives on our streets ought to face at least some time in prison?
In case you were unaware the UK wasn't bombing Gaza nor did we have troops there - to claim that the UK turned a blind eye to it is a lie as the UK clearly didn't do that and in fact placed sanctions on two Israeli Government ministers.
Also ministers are getting all tough and reassuring people etc.. but remember just 2 years ago a knifeman was at risk of trying something similar and look what happened:
Golders Green kosher supermarket knifeman spared jail - The Jewish Chronicle
Gabriel Abdullah, 34, was handed two suspended sentences by a judge
Similarly:
Anti-blasphemy attacker who ‘lost his temper’ spared jail
A man who attacked a Quran-burning protester with a knife in central London to ‘protect [his] religion’ has avoided jail time despite pleading guilty to the assault. Instead, Moussa Kadri, has been given a 20-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, 150 hours of unpaid work and 10 days of...
humanists.uk
Perhaps individuals who threaten or attack others with knives on our streets ought to face at least some time in prison?
In case you were unaware the UK wasn't bombing Gaza nor did we have troops there - to claim that the UK turned a blind eye to it is a lie as the UK clearly didn't do that and in fact placed sanctions on two Israeli Government ministers.
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Yes we have, and not not good enough.
Israel is a secular jewish state. It does not have an official religion. Judaism is the largest religion but israel guarantees freedom of religion unlike its neighbours. Some politicians spout on about religion and the state however Israel is defined as a jewish and democratic state in its basic law.
More the petty bickering going in on between the usual suspects
secular ? Star of David on the flag and being an emblem apparently worn by jews in London hardly suggests secular
(I assume those in London are not overtly displaying the flag like those who politically display union jack)
Stop the war protest organiser and Streeting interviews on r4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002vmkt 18"
... streeting apparently protests against Israel without any antisemitic tropes , ergh and did that translate into government actions ?
(I assume those in London are not overtly displaying the flag like those who politically display union jack)
Stop the war protest organiser and Streeting interviews on r4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002vmkt 18"
... streeting apparently protests against Israel without any antisemitic tropes , ergh and did that translate into government actions ?
I thought that was because of the Saudis primarily making up the numbers, if we're talking about 9/11?. Don’t forget Palestinians are the reason we have airport security, they had a habit of hijacking or blowing up planes.British people being more concerned about what is happening their streets and to their people is entirely normal. The majority of us have zero links to Gaza, don’t want to go there and don’t have much in common with the people there
For such a small group of people the list of achievements is truly remarkable, they even have their own wiki:
You know, why we did nothing whatsoever to Saudi Arabia.
E: I appreciate the window blinds have to be up because of earlier hijacks but that's hardly the 'security' we deal with now.
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I believe he was talking about the rash of plane hijackings in the seventies by the PLO and fellow travellers, Baader Meinhof, Carlos the Jackel etc., etc.
Ah ha. The reason window blinds have to be up then.
It just got me thinking about how nothing was said or done regarding Saudi Arabia considering 15 of those involved in 9/11 were Saudis.
Anyway, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent.
Hope the victims recover well.
I understand the attacker had a history of violence and mental health issues, has he actively targeted people before because of their religion do we know?
I drove to Golders Green high street today and parked up for a few minutes as its only 10 minutes away from me. BBC and several other networks were all still broadcasting there and interviewing people. I missed Keir Starmer's arrival.
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I've got a feeling this is going to be another one of those "lessons will be learned" cases... not only did this chap have an extensive history of knife crime issues but he was only recently released from a psychiatric hospital:
Now there's a fairly obvious question to ask here about the ever prevalent “wokeness”/equity stuff which has rather crudely applied in all sorts of areas where "outcomes" don't match the underlying population demographics seemingly without any consideration as to whether they actually need to fiddle with cases to adjust inconvenient outcomes and what they think they're achieving by doing so. As a result there's been considerable pressure applied to mental health professionals when it comes to men from an African/Caribbean heritage.
See for example the recent Nottingham knife attack case where sadly some people died:
www.theguardian.com
And secondly, even after detention/treatment how much faith can we really place in some of these mental health professionals to make sensible, informed decisions:
www.bbc.co.uk
Discharged due to a "lack of engagement" - erm???
And this seems more like negligence and being bad at your job rather than simply an "error".
So in that previous knife attack case resulting in deaths we had an obviously violent dangerous guy with a long history of issues who released back into our streets and stabbed people now we find out that the guy yesterday with a long history of knife issues was also detained too and of course released onto the streets....
Lessons, sadly, will probably not be learned here.
Now there's a fairly obvious question to ask here about the ever prevalent “wokeness”/equity stuff which has rather crudely applied in all sorts of areas where "outcomes" don't match the underlying population demographics seemingly without any consideration as to whether they actually need to fiddle with cases to adjust inconvenient outcomes and what they think they're achieving by doing so. As a result there's been considerable pressure applied to mental health professionals when it comes to men from an African/Caribbean heritage.
See for example the recent Nottingham knife attack case where sadly some people died:
Nottingham killer was not sectioned because of his race, inquiry told
Valdo Calocane released in 2020 after mental health staff considered research on over-representation of young black men in detention
www.theguardian.com
And secondly, even after detention/treatment how much faith can we really place in some of these mental health professionals to make sensible, informed decisions:
Mental health nurse admits errors in Nottingham triple killer's records
Valdo Calocane's NHS records were at times "fundamentally wrong", a public inquiry heard.
www.bbc.co.uk
Discharged due to a "lack of engagement" - erm???
And this seems more like negligence and being bad at your job rather than simply an "error".
So in that previous knife attack case resulting in deaths we had an obviously violent dangerous guy with a long history of issues who released back into our streets and stabbed people now we find out that the guy yesterday with a long history of knife issues was also detained too and of course released onto the streets....
Lessons, sadly, will probably not be learned here.
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He's going to get them rent boys and Mandelson on the case!
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