Got raped by Steam

Soldato
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Dear fellow OcUKers,

Like myself, I know many of you are big fans of Steam. I've been on Steam for most of my adult life and it's long been at the point where if a game isn't on Steam, then I simply won't buy it.

I'm also a prolific user of the trading system and participate a lot in the Mannconomy they have created. For those who don't know, Steam allows members to trade their games (so long as they haven't been activated) as well as in-game items from a few select F2P games such as Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2. These are inter-tradable and you can even sell items for cash. Recently they've set up the community market where you can sell for Steam Wallet funds directly on the Steam Store.

I've been using this trading system since 2011, and enjoyed being part of an interesting and thriving digital marketplace. I've conducted 6,861 trades and gradually built up my inventories. All was fine and well until recently when I was permanently trade banned. Steam's reason for this?

Our records show that you received a number of items/gifts that were stolen from hijacked Steam accounts. Steam Support previously warned this account against receiving stolen items. This violates the Steam Subscriber Agreement and /or Steam's Rules of Online Conduct.
As per the previous warning, this account has been permanently banned from Steam Trading.

If you have any further questions, please let us know - we will be happy to assist you.

To those who don't use the trading system this may sound like a fair judgment call. Items have apparently been stolen and I've received them, not to mention I've been warned about receiving them before.

But this is the problem - there is absolutely no way I can tell if items have previously been stolen or not. They do not come with a tag that says "stolen goods". Furthermore, Steam Guard is supposed to prevent issues like this - and without using it you simply cannot trade. When I was previously warned, I was away in Devon for Christmas. On the exact day I travelled down and logged onto my brother's iMac I got a message saying my account may have been hacked. Quite naturally I assumed it was simply due to being logged in elsewhere that a security measure had been automatically initiated. When I sent Steam Support a ticket they said I had received some stolen items and this was why. I queried them and asked which items they were and how I could possibly know but they refused to answer. I assumed they had their wires crossed due to the situation I was in.

Jump to today and I'm in a real pickle of a situation. These virtual items are worth quite a substantial sum of money (probably over £2,000, excluding the Steam Gifts!). I've been spending most of my free time trading for these items in order to get games and items I wanted as well as earn a bit of extra cash. I'm self-employed and work has been harder and harder to come by of late and I was using this to supplement my income. So it's a sum I really can't afford to lose.

I'm bitterly disappointed by how the Steam Support member dealing with my case has treated me. I've been an extremely loyal Steam member and bought over 1,400 games for my account. The vast majority of these have been bought direct from the Steam Store or retail activation, so not benefits from trading. How they can judge that having received a few items that originated from hijacked accounts warrants a lifetime trading ban, I just don't know. They should be fully aware of what the items I've obtained legitimately are worth and understand that it's impossible to avoid receiving the occasional stolen item. Yet every reply to my ticket is responded to with this:

Hello,

Unfortunately, we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.

Thank you for contacting Steam Support.

I'd be tearing my hair out if it was long enough to pull but I'll have to make do with a rant here. :p



TL DR - Steam banned an innocent trader and he's not happy.
 
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It's a good cautionary tale which warns against trading in digital items, I'd say. Or at least heavily investing in such items.

The fact is you just don't have any legal protection and Steam can literally do whatever the hell they want with your account.
 
Can you not contact the British Trading Authority (if thats what their name is)

Do you mean Trading Standards? It's something I've considered but as far as I know, they're of no help when it comes to digital goods markets like this. If you or anyone else has additional information that might help though, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
The obvious counter is the OP could be lying and valve may have him bang to rights but I could see either as being true. E-mail gabe, I'm not sure how I'd know items were stolen either, thus you seem to have a valid defence and he'll probably pass it on to someone capable of fixing it.
 
It's a good cautionary tale which warns against trading in digital items, I'd say. Or at least heavily investing in such items.

The fact is you just don't have any legal protection and Steam can literally do whatever the hell they want with your account.

This is true. It was always a worry at the back of my mind, should have listened to my own doubts.
 
The obvious counter is the OP could be lying and valve may have him bang to rights but I could see either as being true. E-mail gabe, I'm not sure how I'd know items were stolen either, thus you seem to have a valid defence and he'll probably pass it on to someone capable of fixing it.

I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking this, as essentially I'm just asking people to take my word for it. I still contest that it's impossible to tell if an account has been hijacked or not though. And I believe it would be utterly stupid for someone with such a valuable account to start scamming people.
 
Agreed how are you to know if these account are hacked and stolen. Customer services can be right ***** at times. I think you need to go up the tree and ask for his superior.
 
Can you not contact the British Trading Authority (if thats what their name is)

Why?

They have not blocked access to his account. What can trading starndards do?

I would email [email protected]

Also reply to the support ticket asking it be raised to a superior.

Also tweet them with the ticket number asking them look into it if you use Twitter of course.
 
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Steam CS generally sucks & the reps are a bunch of plebs when it comes to trying to sort stuff out.

What exactly are 'stolen goods'? Did they identify which products were stolen? What happens to the people who you got this stuff from?

Also lol @ NEDM cat.

EDIT: Oh no! I've been accused of stealing the internet & will be banned shortly :(
 
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