I really doubt the CEO of Nvidia and his minions care one bit as long as their profits go up, according to some reports there is cryptorush on Ethereum?
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Graphics card availability predictions.
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I know what you mean but Nvidia do heavily invest in gaming technologies and gaming software so it’s kinda a core part of their business model.
Perhaps they’ll just stop doing that and sell to miners.... but I doubt it as mining is prone to fluctuations and even political uncertainty (see India).
Could be awhile until higher end card availability improves 
supposedly nVidia has been in talks about getting stuff running again on older FinFet nodes to try and get stuff out - which likely means full spec GP104 or lower end Turing cores like TU116 or TU106 and that would take awhile to come to market.
supposedly nVidia has been in talks about getting stuff running again on older FinFet nodes to try and get stuff out - which likely means full spec GP104 or lower end Turing cores like TU116 or TU106 and that would take awhile to come to market.
Soldato
Demand will continue to outstrip supply, gougers will gouge and scammers will scam ... seems like nobody in the industry gives zero ***** about the consumer in any of this. Glad I got off the merry-go-round and bought a 3090FE before Xmas, especially as it now seems 6800XT are pushing close to £900+, bonkers!
Makes me a bit nervous - managed to get a 3070FE but if I need to replace/upgrade anything else at the moment availability is LOL and I refused to hand an extra like £300 over to someone just because.
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I think most people here tend to focus mainly on the top end of the market, y'know 3070 this, 3080 that, but tend to ignore the lower end, which is hitting system builders as well. The number of people asking me to build a gaming pc is slowly increasing and their faces hit the deck when I tell them how much gpus are. You know we're in a sorry state when people are buying 1050ti's and I've seen 1060 3gb cards appear on a competitors site, and go nil stock within minutes, so there a large part of the market suffering atm.
I also agree that it appears the gpu manufacturers couldn't give a toss about the whole market (top end and low end) but it'll come round and bite them on the nose if they don't realise fully what the effect is going to be, no-one upgrades, motherboards, ram etc don't get updated, sales drop,, game developers start concentrating on consoles ('cos theres no point them developing advanced games that require more powerful hardware, 'cos no-one can buy/has got the hardware to run it. To me thats only one consequence of this situation, theres probably far more ramifications here that people are missing.
I also agree that it appears the gpu manufacturers couldn't give a toss about the whole market (top end and low end) but it'll come round and bite them on the nose if they don't realise fully what the effect is going to be, no-one upgrades, motherboards, ram etc don't get updated, sales drop,, game developers start concentrating on consoles ('cos theres no point them developing advanced games that require more powerful hardware, 'cos no-one can buy/has got the hardware to run it. To me thats only one consequence of this situation, theres probably far more ramifications here that people are missing.
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Also long term brand protection i'd like to think is on their minds given Intel are a potential competitor.
I take your point but that's not how global allocations for go-to market strategies work, its the beer factory demand problem set in 2021.
Nvidia, AMD, Microsoft are U.S companies and because of that fact, they will make sure China gets a share but it will be in the context of a global allocation.
I would say not to see China as a big vortex sucking in everything around it, regardless of the hyperbole on sites like Videocardz.
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I've been lurking some of the miner reddit, apparently you can get pallets of the stuff if you are willing to pay a tiny bit above MSRP.
There are guides on how people can order 32x 3080 directly from the distributors within 2 weeks, they are effectively competing with the stores like OCUK, only they do not have to worry about profit margins with the current levels of insane ROI.
There are guides on how people can order 32x 3080 directly from the distributors within 2 weeks, they are effectively competing with the stores like OCUK, only they do not have to worry about profit margins with the current levels of insane ROI.
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Of course there are global allocations, however there are miners everywhere too. I know someone who is running a 6 x 3060Ti right now, and is looking to setup another 6 if he gets the chance. (And yes he bought them from scalpers)
THIS Adds up some what. i have seen post in social media market, were some one have room full of cards selling for crazy prices. I guess they managed to order a pallet somehow.
This is absolutely true but i think our points are separate, I am just pointing out that this has always gone on behind the scenes but its been compounded by the Asian shipping problems. We had problems with miners when the GTX1080 released but at least card's made it to the U.K, Gibbo and the team here managed to bag cards, the big delays were for the top binned models, the trash-tier models made it through.
China, before this crisis accounted of approx 40-45% of all AMD revenue. 1 in 2 Graphics GPU's AMD makes ended up there, the U.K buyers are big fans of their hardware but our allocation was 2%. Hence, AMD's go-to-market strategy in the U.K probably was (past tense) to produce and ship 2% of all 6800XT/6900XT to the U.K
With the shipping problems i would not be surprised if our allocation is cut to 1% or less.
That is why there is so much stuff from China on reddit re: GPU pallets - at least half of all GPU's end up there in normal times and i would not be surprised at all if the U.S allocations ended up not shipping to the U.S and were 'diverted' at the airport or regional shipping port. Once the shipping problems ease, I would expect more cards to escape the runways of Chinese and Taiwanese local ports/airports and back onto global shipping.
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This shipping crisis has affected all business's that rely on products made in China.
What I don't understand is why don't airlines start shipping these things here instead? I guess some heavy and large items would be difficult, but small items like graphics card you could stick them in the isles...
What I don't understand is why don't airlines start shipping these things here instead? I guess some heavy and large items would be difficult, but small items like graphics card you could stick them in the isles...
Airliners do carry some freight. But it's just a little earner on the side using up spare capacity in the cargo hold. Likely doesn't pay well enough to exclusively fly freight (not without refitting the passenger area for cargo, anyway).
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Apparently a few miners got together and chartered a B747 freighter to cart all their gpus from China to the USA, excuse being it took a fraction of the time to transit and they're happy 'cos "any" delay can cost them money. So...the gpus are being air freighted, they're just not gonna be coming to you any time soon.
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Boris told me that I will get a new card sometime never...be seems clued up!
There's a couple of issues with this line of thinking.
Firstly the 3090 makes 1.5x the money the 3080 does and while it costs twice as much most miners are in it for the long haul which means that making 1.5x the crypto every month until the end of time is far more appealing than a relatively minor saving in initial outlay (plus it's easier to find which is a bonus).
As for AMD cards sucking at mining, this is quite comical to hear as for the vast majority of time mining has been the domain of AMD, hell there was a time when an Nvidia flagship could barely keep up with an AMD midrange card at mining but new algorithms/coins came out that specifically targeted Nvidia hardware and you can bet if the pendulum does ever swing too far in Nvidia's favour the same will happen again for AMD architecture.
Don't forget that at launch many considered the Vega cards to be bad for mining, however refinements in mining tools and fine tuning resulted in them being so prolific for mining that more Vega cards ended up in mining farms than in gaming PCs.
At the end of the day the 6900xt, 6800xt, 6800 and RTX3070 all perform around the same but with varying costs, however as mentioned above initial cost isn't a real concern for most miners. Most will simply pick up whatever they can find and eat the cost difference.
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Not just that, I've tried all different cards for mining here are the hash rates and rough power consumptions
3060Ti 60MH/s 110W ~£450
3070 60MH/s 130W ~£550
3080 (never got my hands on it but heard around 95MH/s at 200W ~£800
3090 120MH/s at 270W ~£1500
3060Ti is by far the best for mining if you can get a hold of lots of them both power and ROI costs.
3090 is by far the worst, I can get 3 3060Ti with the price and out perform it by 50%