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Might see the Xs at around £380 before long then 
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Graphics Supply Constraints Solved – R9 Fury Series To See Wide Availability in Q4
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Source, otherwise like everyone else it sounds like you've just made it all up.
They absolutely will not test a final version board off the production line for a year. No way in hell. Once your product is being mass produced, it's done. They only testing you do then is QA.
The kind of testing you are talking about is done throughout the design phase, before they go "gold" so to speak, and get sent for mass production.
Tapas-out to on the shelves is about 8 months if there are no issues, can be as little as 6 if there is an urgent need. If they have to spin a new design then you cane get a 4-6 month delay. Any later launches are purely down to other bussiness reasons like clearing stock.
They don't torture test for a year. They run a dozen or GPUs through a series of special test, a few weeks later they know what is working. If problems arise then testing will continue until they are certain of the issues and possible fixes.
For reference, the GM204 980/970 cards went from tape out to on the shelves in 5 months.pascal taped out in June, so Q1 2016 is easily possible if there was no issue, of which we have heard the opposite and everything is on track. The only Question related to HBM2
There's no way in hell it takes a year to test a card. You need to cite a source. It just isn't believable in any way.
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Comparing mature process and mature tech to new process & new tech and expecting the same timescale is silly.
No, it just a case of running something as complex as a untested GPU printed on an untested 8 Billion transistor piece of silicone through a few tests and knocking it out in a few weeks like D.P said. riiiiiight.
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No, it just a case of running something as complex as a untested GPU printed on an untested 8 Billion transistor piece of silicone through a few tests and knocking it out in a few weeks like D.P said. riiiiiight.
Except that's not how it works, is it? With everything engineered or built these days there, anything new is pretty accurately simulated before it even gets as far as being prototyped. In that talk JSH gave the other day they talked about the fact that one of the first things they did as a company was to buy out another startup that was simulating chips.
And since electronics either work or don't work (pretty binary outcomes, unlike testing an aeroplane's aerodynamics, for example), the idea that you might need to test for a year is still nonsense.
If the chips aren't getting so hot that they degrade, why would you want to test for longer than a couple weeks as DP said? It either works or it doesn't. They aren't using new materials with unknown properties are they.
Torture testing for a year -- lol, you made that up.
TSMC started 28nm Production testing in September 2010, AMD released the first 28nm card in December 2011, 15 Months after TSMC started production testing and AMD were first, Nvidia released their first 28nm cards in March 2012, 19 Months after TSMC started production testing.
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I can see a new manufacturing node taking longer to test tbh.
Which you still fail to grasp that urine poor yeilds=higher price=no sale as I'll purchase the cheaper faster card instead, it's got AMD on the box not Nvidia.
And they have never ever been unavailable for purchase in the UK at least(they weren't gouged either), people quite rightly never saw their worth, think you were one of those commenting on how many were left on the store front.
A report that more or less states yeild problem solved(if true)=higher stock=lower pp to where it will sell.
By your estimation, AMD should just replace stock because Pascals coming and keep the price higher than 980Ti and let the competition keep racking up the sales?
What does that have to do with anything? AMD taped out the 7000 series in Feb 2011. Release was then within 10 months of tape out.
Other articles on the web state the "normal" delay from tape out to release is 9-12 months.
Pascal taped out in June, 9-12 months gives us March - June 2016.
And you're saying 12 months from now? And a year of testing? Lol. You still need to cite your sources for that
Why because I pointed out that nothing you've said makes sense or is verifiable? Or even close to what's happened in the past?
You want to cite some sources yet? Otherwise we'll have to conclude you're full of ****.
Which you still fail to grasp that urine poor yeilds=higher price=no sale as I'll purchase the cheaper faster card instead, it's got AMD on the box not Nvidia.
And they have never ever been unavailable for purchase in the UK at least(they weren't gouged either), people quite rightly never saw their worth, think you were one of those commenting on how many were left on the store front.
A report that more or less states yeild problem solved(if true)=higher stock=lower pp to where it will sell.
By your estimation, AMD should just replace stock because Pascals coming and keep the price higher than 980Ti and let the competition keep racking up the sales?
What are you even on about? I stated my reasons and that is that. I didn't even quote you but typical you, always looking for an argument when it comes to me. I thought you might have learned your lesson the last time you got suspended but clearly not and you still want to tell me what I am thinking.
Give it a rest please.