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Anyone see tonight's episode? Was Johnny Mountain a prat for
storming off,
or is Marcus Wareing just a nasty big poopyhead?
 
Iether never like Marcus, but you don't storm off, all though he is right

only getting two points, its pointless, he cant make that up, 8 point difference in one day and he wasn't high score yesterday. I also think Marcus wanted a bit of fish. WTF it had anchovies and other seafood in it. So I do think scoring was to harsh and he was always going to score like that due to no big bit of fish
 
Scoring was a bit harsh and
he shouldn't have stormed off but frankly it was a ridiculous dish. 8 points isn't impossible to gain back up though and who knows, the final judges may have even loved it and given him the win had he got through.
 
LOL

He was hinted at about ten times
'you've got the sea but your missing all the nice things that's in it'

When he was plating it up I was thinking that's a lot of sand and not too much foam to moisten the dish. He might have gotten away with it if he had maybe added some extra shellfish. A couple of mussels or something.

It's a shame as obviously he was very passionate about it but he just seems to have gotten to bogged down about 'Olympus'. A bit like the woman the other week who completely missed the point of the brief.
 
The score just seemed really harsh to me. It must have tasted awful. It was obvious throughout the episode that Marcus dislikes Johnny, and I don't just mean his food. The smirks, the body language, the snide remarks. He'd already made his mind up when he'd seen Johnny's ingredients. I bet Heston's does weirder things i.e. sea dishes with no large piece of fish, and I also bet that Marcus wouldn't say that **** to him.

However walking off was lame.
 
Doesn't look like it vicisthebest, at least that's my guess.

My guess is that they play it out for pride and they both go through.
 
The original format only had 2 during the week, so it's not like it hasn't happened before. They used to just taste each others food.

I think anyway, maybe I'm going senile.
 
I havent seen the ep yet but he was gettign some **** on twitter last night for it. He's a good guy though, just a bit of a toys out of pram moment. When you put all your effort in to a dish, and it's so harshly judged, I'd be a bit peeved. Maybe not react like that, but you know :P
 
I don't think he does come back judging from the previews of todays program, the chef who was in the middle has moved around so the two are now head to head along the bench. May be reading too much in to it though.

IIRC this isn't the first year Mountain and Wareing had a bit of a tiff is it?

I do feel Wareing did seem to have a bit of a vendetta against him, the constant remarks etc. Either way walking off is a bit of a weak thing to do.
 
I think Johnny Mountain just missed the brief completely. He kept banging on about Poseidon being god of the sea, but it is still called the fish course, not a bloomin sea course. I woudn't be surprised if he didn't come back if the rest of his dishes are so far off the mark.
 
Spunkey said:
I don't think he does come back judging from the previews of todays program, the chef who was in the middle has moved around so the two are now head to head along the bench. May be reading too much in to it though.

IIRC this isn't the first year Mountain and Wareing had a bit of a tiff is it?

I do feel Wareing did seem to have a bit of a vendetta against him, the constant remarks etc. Either way walking off is a bit of a weak thing to do.
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They did, but I thought on the starter Marcus really seemed to be trying to put that behind him and give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Robbie G said:
I bet Heston's does weirder things i.e. sea dishes with no large piece of fish, and I also bet that Marcus wouldn't say that **** to him.
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I haven't seen the episode in question yet, but by the sounds of it he fell in to the usual trap that people who follow modernist cooking land in. They get so caught up in the theatre and the gimmick that they lose sight of the food. This is something Heston talks about a lot; he's concerned that young chefs get so caught up in the novelty aspects of modernist cooking that they lose sight of the dish they are trying to make. Heston, Adria and the other big modernist chefs all start with a normal dish, made as good as they possibly can make it. They then start playing about with it to turn it in to something else. It doesn't work the other way around, you wind up with something that isn't very pleasing and comes across as gimmicky. I suspect this is what happened to that chef (I'll watch the episode tonight).
 
Watched the episode yesterday, and to be fair to him, he admitted he acted a bit like a child. Although he wasn't cooking, he came back to give the other two support
 
I thought he was a bit silly for walking off but I sort of understand it for getting a 2. Personally I thought he mucked up a bit with not having any fish but that was a very harsh score. The rest of the week has been very good, some strong dishes, so tonight's episode should be good!!

On a side note, I think Simon Rogan is fantastic and would love to visit Roganic and L’Enclume :).
 
Pudding rounds usually suck, I hate these ponce dab here dab there, throw a few tiny cubes of random jelly.

Last years winners looked great and I must do it, as well as the treacle tart winner the other year. But puddings is certainly the course has by far the fewest dishes I want to make at home.
 
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