Great success

[Delvis]

I didn't think you did mean there weren't enough casualties.

Good, thought I'd clear that up

 

[Delvis]

Love this quote



Wonder what would happen if the autopsy should them being alive ?

Maybe they took a pill that stopped there nervous system.

Or they got stung by that weird snail that paralyses the body.

Yeah.

 

[HEADRAT]

Wonder what would happen if the autopsy should them being alive ?

Then it would have been vivisection the not an autopsy

 

[Glaucus]

Actually, how do you know it hasn't deterred certain people from committing crimes? Do you have reports on before and after the death penalty was introduced or something? Serious question as well.

Effective depends on how you view it I suppose - yes, the person can't commit any further crimes after execution but they can't reform either. States with the death penalty haven't reported a lower incidence of capital crimes after the (re)introduction of the death penalty so it wouldn't appear to offer a deterrant and conversely it may even possibly increase the violence with which crimes are committed as the risk of leaving identifying

 

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I didn't think you did mean there weren't enough casualties. I was just highlighting that they were extremely effective unfortunately. In theory it is rather more difficult to stop suicide bombers than any other kind as they've got nothing to lose, if someone has no focus other than their 'mission' and no thought to surviving it then they become tremendously difficult to halt.



Better is a bit subjective, I don't happen to think anyone has the right to end anothers life - whether that be the state or an individual doing the killing is immaterial to me. You could construct an argument that it amounts to little more than extended torture to keep someone in prison with no opportunity of parole but we've got to effect a punishment in some way and this keeps the rest of society safe from the criminal.

Cheaper it almost certainly wouldn't be, America is the closest legal system to ours in the Western World with the death penalty and it can be proven conclusively that it is not cheaper than life imprisonment. Other systems like China are mentioned from time to time but the legal system is vastly different so it doesn't really stand up for comparison.

Effective depends on how you view it I suppose - yes, the person can't commit any further crimes after execution but they can't reform either. States with the death penalty haven't reported a lower incidence of capital crimes after the (re)introduction of the death penalty so it wouldn't appear to offer a deterrant and conversely it may even possibly increase the violence with which crimes are committed as the risk of leaving identifying witnesses is now less appealing than ever before.

This is all without touching on the risk of executing innocent people which is almost inevitable in a system which relies on humans to make judgements, flawed as we are.

Im happy to accept that that is a far more reasoned and well thought out viewpoint than my initial post.

 

[Nitefly]

Like the massive amount of pain they inflict on whatever death they cause.

lol get over yourself honestly

so we are back to vengeance in a legal system, great

AcidHell2 is absolutely correct. 'Vengeance' is not something the law will ever consider, or will ever deal with. The idea that the courts should work on 'sympathy' is moronic.

 

[Killa_ken]

Come off it you lot. I made this thread so we could all agree for 1 or 2 pages about how this should happen more often.

This wernt not sposed to turn into some political debate like.

 

[Delvis]

But it has now!

 

[Killa_ken]

I think im gone start tawkin like a farrmer from now on like. It suits me moore

Ize tells him nots to.

 

[Tefal]

Only if that person is reformed... and has served a sentence deemed fit by a judge... don't you think the criminal justice system should have reform as it's aim?

True but it;s incomparable to a death scentance, as you cannot reform a corpse... Well at least without some kind off mechanical grinder.

 

[Tefal]

Why so?

it matchs the death penalty on cutting reoffending to zero.

edi: wait *** thought he said makes it harder to argue for the death penalty >.<

 

[Tefal]

What are you on about? I don't know what point you're trying to make :|.

we were talking about whether the comparison of costs on that site was between life untill death sentance and death, or life untill paroled. If it;s the later it can't be compared, even though you then started talking about parole etc being equal when it isn't.