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Greece Elections
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Now default or debt wasteland, at least it will be a very cheap holiday. Some optimism right there
I'm not sure if this is what you meant but I think everyone outside of Greece wants you to leave the Euro so we can all enjoy paradise on the cheap that's pretty much there only motivation to hell with the Euro project!
It depends what you mean by "her problems". Greece has long term issues that need resolving however the brutal treatment by the Troika has done absolutely nothing to help with these issues and turned what should have been a recession into a depression to rival the Great Depression as well as having huge detrimental effects on the rest of the Eurozone.
When a guy crashes his car due to faulty brakes standing around giving a lecture on proper maintenance doesn't usefully stop his head bleeding.
Yeah, if Greece leaves the Euro I think I might buy a few holiday homes on my credit card
Yeah, if Greece leaves the Euro I think I might buy a few holiday homes on my credit card
That thought had crossed my mind...
What is the Greek prime minister playing at? One moment he tells the EU he will accept their latest proposal with a few small conditions and the next he is going off on one on Greek media about how unfair it all is, and telling people to vote no to the bailout proposal. All the EU finance ministers seem understandably exasperated by this clown.
he's a weak leader, there is a tough decision to be made and he doesn't want to be the one to make it - he's making a half arsed attempt at negotiating with the rest of Europe while also trying to do a big song and dance routine for the local audience... and the referendum thing just lets him shift the responsibility for the actual tough decision of which route to take
This is what us Brits don't understand - to get what you want out of the EU you have to play political games and Tsiprias is taking it to the max. He's gambling but it's still possible that the EU will give away something else.
Easy enough for you to say.
Elected politicians are *supposed* to represent the the wishes of the people who elected them. Especially they are expected to carry out their pre-election promises.
I know that's a pretty bizarre concept in this country, where basically a manifesto means absolutely nothing at all, and isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
there is very limited room for negotiating, the best he can hope for are some token measures to sell to the domestic population, show that he's gained something - though in reality he won't gain much and he's just ****ed them all off further and shown himself to be a bit of a clown... it could all very easily backfire
easy enough to say because it is true... the guy is a weak leader
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No room now, he is urging people to vote NO, he wants a default, he wants an exit.
Fine.
I do hope they vote no, but a nice and narrow margin
What they and indeed the Greek posters in this thread still do not conceptualise, is that the austerity measures didn't fail, its that the Greek people don't understand why they remotely necessary in the first place.
Without wholesale restructuring of their entire governmental agencies and public service bodies, and conceptualise tax payments for actual citizens, then in or out, they won't manage to survive, as no one will drip feed them loans over and over anymore.
We'll see what happens, I think they will vote yes, thinking it suggests they have learned some sort of lesson that they certainly haven't learned at all.
Fine.
I do hope they vote no, but a nice and narrow margin
What they and indeed the Greek posters in this thread still do not conceptualise, is that the austerity measures didn't fail, its that the Greek people don't understand why they remotely necessary in the first place.
Without wholesale restructuring of their entire governmental agencies and public service bodies, and conceptualise tax payments for actual citizens, then in or out, they won't manage to survive, as no one will drip feed them loans over and over anymore.
We'll see what happens, I think they will vote yes, thinking it suggests they have learned some sort of lesson that they certainly haven't learned at all.
no, its when the guy keeps crashing his car cause he wont maintain it and every time we give him a new one and this last time he has really hurt himself but he is still demanding another new car from us and we are saying no
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No room now, he is urging people to vote NO, he wants a default, he wants an exit.
Fine.
I do hope they vote no, but a nice and narrow margin
What they and indeed the Greek posters in this thread still do not conceptualise, is that the austerity measures didn't fail, its that the Greek people don't understand why they remotely necessary in the first place.
Without wholesale restructuring of their entire governmental agencies and public service bodies, and conceptualise tax payments for actual citizens, then in or out, they won't manage to survive, as no one will drip feed them loans over and over anymore.
We'll see what happens, I think they will vote yes, thinking it suggests they have learned some sort of lesson that they certainly haven't learned at all.
I'm sure everyone understands why the austerity occurred. They just feel, very understandably, that the people of a country shouldn't have to suffer to cover the mistakes of a few in the financial sector.
Aren't we doing that as well?
lending money to them in the first place was indeed a mistake
they don't have to cover that mistake on the part of the banks (or now European countries, institutions thanks to a little switcharoo with who owns the debt)
if they feel they don't want to cover that they can vote no, they can elect an govt on the premise that it will default, wipe all the debt and go back to their own currency - it is a bit of a gamble but it is an option
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What?
By financial sector do you mean their governmental policies and roles over the past 30 years?
We aren't suffering the huge unemployment that they are. Plus they spoke of a huge rise of suicides…
To be fair by choosing not to pay tax, by demanding full pension at 50, by using every fiddle known to man to avoid paying anything to the government and repeatedly electing a government who wouldnt change this or enforce the laws and keep promising them bigger and bigger pensions and benefits until the country is totally broke, they unfortunately have brought it on themselves.
I saw a trade unionist today who is organising pensioner's marches and protests with the whole aim to, and I quote "remove the government and replace it with one who will stand up to Euorpe and reinstate the 40% pension then have been robbed"