Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [7th - 12th May 2022]
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Mentioned it earlier, but villa are the worst team in the league for final 3rd pressing but today 1st half they pressed like monsters. Guaranteed they won't do they against city.
Caporegime
Villa actually played better than I expected to be honest, Watkins is a handful but the likes of Mings and Ings are pants. Must be something in the name.
Aye we made it a tough game for you guys. Most consistent 90 minutes I've seen us play for an age and we should be proud.
Said earlier I wouldn't mind loosing valiantly if it means fending off city in the last game. You keep the points coming and we'll try to do the rest on the day
Refereeing in that first half was some of the worst I've seen all season though, Moss was a disgrace even by his standards.
Just seen Klopps post match interview and man he seems completely drained.
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Wings were a terrible band. Your theory hold water!
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I think Mings suffers a little from the Maguire effect. People think he's bad via osmosis with his critics and half of it ends up being confirmation bias when he has off moments (though I'll concede that Maguire can be stale for entire games at a time). Yes, he's over confident at times and often far too casual on the ball, but 8 times out of ten he saves the situation and I'd rather have him in the first then out of it. He's a great captain as well, rarely looses his cool.
Ings I just don't understand. He's a fantastic player who can find space where there's seemingly none at all and he's great at reading the game ahead, but his finishing for us has never been consistent as evidenced by that missed chance last night which ANYONE else on the pitch would have buried. He seems to get faced down too easy when he's given too much time.
Ings I just don't understand. He's a fantastic player who can find space where there's seemingly none at all and he's great at reading the game ahead, but his finishing for us has never been consistent as evidenced by that missed chance last night which ANYONE else on the pitch would have buried. He seems to get faced down too easy when he's given too much time.
Ali is fantastic in 1v1 situations, rarely gets beaten. Wouldn't blame Ings to much personally
The Ings miss simply saved a few people getting excited for no reason because I'm 99.9% sure it would have been offside. The Sky replay appeared to show it being level at best but when you consider the camera angle, I'm sure VAR would have found comfortably offside.
Caporegime
This is unfortunately true for all positions. Defence and goalkeepers are just far more likely to suffer from it. Players further forward get a rep for diving etc which means they get 0 benefit of the doubt but keepers and defenders are massively scrutinised if the media decides to shine a light on them.
They also get way more heat when the side isn't doing well. No one really gives a **** if you walk the ball into your own net if you win 3-1. Alisson got away with a few moments yesterday through complete luck but Liverpool won so no one cares.
Being a defender in a team like City is easy street. You aren't doing that much defending and when you are you have good players in front of you shielding you and quite often you aren't facing any sort of sustained onslaught like poorer teams face. If you concede there is a very good chance the attackers will still win you the game and everyone forgets. Attack really is the best form of defence.
Moan all he wants, they were a yard offside for their only goal.
Caporegime
Thats not really the point though is it. Football is a game of a hundred moments and when the ref is awful he changes the game in a huge number of subtle ways. In this day and age we shouldn't have refs that are this bad. He should have been retired years ago.
Indeed. There where a few poor decisions (or lack of decisions in general) last night that could have led to advantageous runs of play for both sides (though I'd still argue Villa missed out on the lions share, especially in the first half).
Commissario
I have to agree, isn't it crazy that when a ref makes a mistake they rarely get punished or dropped from officiating any games. All you get is a sorry, but if a manager questions the refs ability at the end of the match he gets fined for "attacking the integrity of the match referee"
But it's OK for a manager to accuse players of diving without being punished. Is that not "attack the integrity of the player"?
Caporegime
You don't even get a sorry usually. I understand that you should protect referees from the baying masses but **** referees combined with almost zero accountability or explanation for their decisions does them no favours. Football is worth billions. They should be investing a lot of money into training the next generation of referees and paying them a good salary.
The top guys get paid ~£200k/year which is a very good salary but the same awful refs have been around for decades now. What is going wrong?
Only the band The Beatles could have been.
Band on the Run is a belter of an album.
In the first half Villa got a goal when he was two yards offside. The idea that they didnt get the rub of the green is hilarious.
The ref was godawful for both teams.
I appreciate that as supporters we get annoyed with officials and want to see them punished for poor displays but we have to remember that these are the best that are available. What good does dropping a PL ref do if his replacement is worse? And it's not quite true that managers get fined for questioning officials ability or decisions - they only get fined if they're rude and abusive or imply any sort of bias.
The standard of officials is a result of the number of officials available to pick from. It's been discussed in the press a few times in the past but there's just not enough people taking up refereeing at the lowest levels in the game due to the levels of abuse they receive. It's just basic maths, if you've got a pool of 100 officials to pick from, the quality is likely to be lower than if you had a pool of 1000 officials to pick from. Until we can get more people taking up refereeing at lower levels then we'll struggle to develop top officials.
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Yeah as I said before, watch the Jeff Winter interview on the excellent under the cosh podcast...
So much insight into how tied their hands are, how much weight big clubs apply. What would happen if they did what we all wanted and clamped down in a game with yellows or red for play acting or abusing the ref. Why they don't come forward and explain and decision or hold their hands up when they get it wrong.
My sons team has a team mate and his brother is training and wants to be a ref. Yet the abuse he gets at under 12 level is horrific. Yet none of these parents even want to run the line. I wouldn't do it for 4x my wages.
On another note, as much as I'm still convinced Everton are going down, I can't knock their fans the last couple of games. The fans at Leicester were superb. I've seen lots of stuff this week with how long they stayed behind and Lampard coming out to the travelling fans. If by some miracle they stay up credit to the fans. Pickford has been superb, Richarlison too. Big fan of DCL previously but he's been a weak hiding disgrace.
So much insight into how tied their hands are, how much weight big clubs apply. What would happen if they did what we all wanted and clamped down in a game with yellows or red for play acting or abusing the ref. Why they don't come forward and explain and decision or hold their hands up when they get it wrong.
My sons team has a team mate and his brother is training and wants to be a ref. Yet the abuse he gets at under 12 level is horrific. Yet none of these parents even want to run the line. I wouldn't do it for 4x my wages.
On another note, as much as I'm still convinced Everton are going down, I can't knock their fans the last couple of games. The fans at Leicester were superb. I've seen lots of stuff this week with how long they stayed behind and Lampard coming out to the travelling fans. If by some miracle they stay up credit to the fans. Pickford has been superb, Richarlison too. Big fan of DCL previously but he's been a weak hiding disgrace.