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Greenlizard0 PL/CS/FA Cup 4th Round Football Thread ** spoilers ** [4th - 6th February 2022]
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It was interpretation of the hand ball rule in the same way for Salah’s handball in the build up before their equaliser against Tottenham. Arm raised went to head the ball, ball entirely came off arm before the cross for Robertson’s goal. Utd haven’t been unfairly penalised, the rule is just stupid. A clear handball in the build up should always disallow a goal.
I don’t know if the change was to stop VAR going back a long way in play before goals, but the rule change makes no sense.
I don’t know if the change was to stop VAR going back a long way in play before goals, but the rule change makes no sense.
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The trouble is that in every situation for which VAR is being used a goal will have been scored. So it is hard to know how a player hasn’t gained an advantage from the ‘accidental’ handball as all have resulted in a goal.
And they will (or should) be under the rules. You seem to be confusing the accidental attacking handball rule, that was brought in the other season with general handballs. Or are you wanting to go back to 2 seasons ago where any handball in the buildup of a goal is an offense?
Accidental handballs generally are not an offense however if they directly lead to a goal then the goal is ruled out. When this rule was first introduced it covered any handball within a couple of passes of the goal, last season that was cut to just the player with the assist or scorer and now to just the scorer. Any handball which is considered intentional (including a player with their arms in unnatural positions) is still an offense though and VAR will rule the goal out.
The issue with the goal yesterday was whether the handball was considered intentional or not. I thought it was and was surprised it wasn't given but there's a reason why it wasn't. There's an element of subjectivity when deciding if a players arms are in a natural position or not, although generally speaking officials work on how far they are from the players body and the fact that the ball deflects onto his arm creates a small grey area. That grey area allows the VAR to say it wasn't clearly and obviously a wrong decision and gives them reason for not overturning the decision. The problem is today VAR will overturn a near identical decision.
That was my understanding, but the accidental hand ball was directly involved in the phase of play that lead to the goal so should have been chalked off. It's different to that recent Salah handball in that there were a few passes before we scored.
Shocked it wasnt disallowed, but also utterly hilarious it stood.
Shocked it wasnt disallowed, but also utterly hilarious it stood.
That was the rule 2 seasons ago. As I explained, they cut things back last season so that it only applied to the player with the assist or the scorer and they've cut things back again this season so that it only applies to the goalscorer. Under the rule, if considered an accidental handball, that goal would never be ruled out.
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I expect the rule on this will change again. It should be very simple, if your hand touches the ball and in any sort of meaningful way gives you an advantage, its a foul. They wouldn't have scored the goal without the handball so it should have been a foul.
That being said, I enjoyed the game for the most part and we should have won it 5/6-0 if Ronaldo, Rashford, Bruno or Elanga could hit the back end of a barn door.
I know they are championship level but we have made plenty of sides of that calibre look world class in the past few years so creating that many chances was a positive.
I still think that without Greenwood we have made a bit of a **** up letting Martial go but that couldn't have been predicted (hopefully). Having Cavani back will be good but we are a bit threadbare for players that can actually change a game.
That being said, I enjoyed the game for the most part and we should have won it 5/6-0 if Ronaldo, Rashford, Bruno or Elanga could hit the back end of a barn door.
I know they are championship level but we have made plenty of sides of that calibre look world class in the past few years so creating that many chances was a positive.
I still think that without Greenwood we have made a bit of a **** up letting Martial go but that couldn't have been predicted (hopefully). Having Cavani back will be good but we are a bit threadbare for players that can actually change a game.
I was actually quite encouraged by the display. We were zipping passes around into space, and players were there to pick it up, actually stretching play left and right quickly. Not rocket science, but a marked improvement over the last few years.
Shoddy finishing aside, not great, but showing signs of improving.
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Yep, we tired too early again but there were positive signs in various areas. One thing that worries me is that we have a thin squad now and potentially Verane, Sancho and Fernandes have knocks. Ronaldo also looked like a player who is slowing down.
xG was apparently about 3.5 to 0.9 just before the end of the game and thats I assume including the tap in for their goal that should have been disallowed.
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It's apparently the highest xG we've had since they started recording the stat so that should tell you how unlikely it is. We win that game 99/100 times.
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Who would have thought that we would out XG a championship team?
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You do crack me up. Highest xG we have had since they started recording it but lets ignore that eh. Because we probably haven't played any other championship teams at all in that time. And championship sides are quite often just as good as the worst PL sides. Lets just ignore that though and be miserable.
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We could lose to Rochdale and you would be telling me that league 2 is actually very high quality and it was a tough game.
We are a team challenging for the champions league with a squad amassed at over £800m.
Where are your standards?
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YES! Get in Argyle.
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When will you realise it doesn't matter who the manager is he's got no control over the board apparently it was murtough who said Jessie could have time off over Ralph leaving us with less options on the bench name me any side that has 2 goal keepers on the bench it was the board that blocked a midfielder coming in and who blocked Jessie leaving it was the board who blocked Henderson from leaving aswell if you look at different managers who we've had they've said the same thing they never got the players in they wanted they're all bought in for marketing making the club money by the board big name signings for ridiculous amounts of cash harry ain't worth 50 million let alone 80 and then to make him a our captain is a joke as for standards the board are lowering them season by season you've only got to look at it since fergie left any manager that doesn't get top 4 is sacked if they get fourth they stay when has 4th been good enough for a club like united they should be challenging at least but they're not shows the ambition of the club nick
Oh and yes 800 million spent but wasted on big name signings by this incompetent arrogant board
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Championship side or not the result was completely spawny and 9 times out of ten that game would have been put to bed before the first half even finished.
It was easily our best performance under Ralf since he has taken over and there were a lot of positives to take from it. We were out of steam by 75 minutes however.
I do think though that loaning out Martial was a bit of a mistake as it would have likely made the difference yesterday. Lingard was missed as well.
It was easily our best performance under Ralf since he has taken over and there were a lot of positives to take from it. We were out of steam by 75 minutes however.
I do think though that loaning out Martial was a bit of a mistake as it would have likely made the difference yesterday. Lingard was missed as well.
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Kidderminster beating west ham
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West ham have been bloody dire.
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