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'Clear and obvious' strikes again. I've no doubt that the VAR thought it was a foul but he'd have been asking himself whether it was clearly wrong enough to overturn.
 
How does the ref see that and not give it? It was so blatantly a foul. I'm not one for the overprotective rules with keepers but that is always a foul. Clear and obvious mistake, 100%. Just get rid of VAR and the refs and linos will start doing their jobs properly again. Yes they'll make mistakes but I'll take them.
 
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CliffyG said:
How does the ref see that and not give it? It was so blatantly a foul.
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As above, the fact that it's got to be clearly and obviously wrong just confuses officials. Any ref knows that's a foul but they over analyse things trying to determine whether something was clearly wrong enough for them to overrule the decision. Time and time again we see clearly wrong decisions not being overturned because the VAR is worried that it's not clear enough. It's mad.
 
BaZ87 said:
As above, the fact that it's got to be clearly and obviously wrong just confuses officials. Any ref knows that's a foul but they over analyse things trying to determine whether something was clearly wrong enough for them to overrule the decision. Time and time again we see clearly wrong decisions not being overturned because the VAR is worried that it's not clear enough. It's mad.
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Just not fit for purpose, we end up having more controversy because of the ridiculous decisions we are seeing every weekend. How can these trained "professionals " get it so wrong all the time.
 
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CliffyG said:
He is absolutely the worst commentator.
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I try to be fair to him as I found myself standing next to him in a queue at Santos Dumont airport in Rio de Janeiro and he seemed to be a nice fellow for the 5 mins we were talking to him but... most times when I'm watching him commentate on a game I'm left shaking my head with some of the nonsense he comes out with.

Even the way Robbie Savage described how the keeper had come every time and caught the ball, which showed how competent he'd been, so the only reason he didn't get the ball this time was that he was impeded by the attacking player that was looking to impede him and not trying to head the ball.

My mind boggles sometimes at how inept he can be.
 
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BaZ87 said:
As above, the fact that it's got to be clearly and obviously wrong just confuses officials. Any ref knows that's a foul but they over analyse things trying to determine whether something was clearly wrong enough for them to overrule the decision. Time and time again we see clearly wrong decisions not being overturned because the VAR is worried that it's not clear enough. It's mad.
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I wouldn't say that any ref knows that's a foul, maybe 7/10 refs would give it in real time with just the on field refs point of view. The other 3 refs might see that the keeper didn't get off the ground and think he was just late to get to the flight of the ball and from the where the ref was standing on the pitch, the amount of contact might not be fully apparent.

So I can see some refs not giving it, after all Rio Ferdinand at first thought it wasn't a foul as well (Kudos to Rachel Brown-Finnis who explained exactly why it was a foul to Rio so that he changed his mind - hope you were watching Joey Barton)

What is inexcusable is when it goes to VAR with all the great angles they have and the ability to slow it down that they then didn't overturn it. To me and you it was a "clear and obvious error" but to the ref in the VAR office, as you say, it wasn't clear enough. Daft.

We could look at the foul on Alisson by Akanji when Rúben Dias 'scored'. Luckily the on field ref gave it as a foul and obviously VAR didn't overrule him but if the on field ref did allow the goal I'm not so sure he would have been overruled by VAR.

The way VAR is being used is making things much more worse than they need to be.
 
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Honestly, that goal for Luton was a toss up. The keeper has made a complete mess of that and I don't know if the player intentionally blocks the keeper or not. I don't think thats quite as clear cut as some are saying. As a keeper, you don't have the right to a clear path to a cross. The only question in my mind is whether the motion from Adebayo was intentional to block/check the keeper.
 
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