Oh Liverpool will win the league barring some sort of disaster. As you say, the overall quality of the competition this season is awful. The overall quality of the league this year I think is pretty good but thats due to some of the "lesser" sides having great seasons rather than the traditional big sides showing up.
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I've seen a few comments about a poor league but I just don't see it as that. I see it as a competitive league with the traditional monopoly of big four being broken for the last 2/3 years. We've had Newcastle, Villa achieve top four and now Forest look like they could also do so. This is a trend of improving quality and more depth. In previous era the bigger teams could outspend, out muscle everyone without being the best coached teams. Technically teams are so much better - Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Bournemouth have shown they can beat anyone. Poorly coached teams like Man United have been exposed.
I do think Liverpool will win and credit to Slot for subtly evolving the team. City have dipped but that's after a phenomenal run and the competition in the league means that 85% isn't enough these days to roll over a bottom half side. If the benchmark for quality is City winning it years after year then I'd far rather have a "lower quality" more competitive competition.
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Premier League is essentially the Super League now. Teams like Ajax, Milan, Benfica etc have all been replaced by teams like Bournemouth, Brighton etc. PSR has also closed the gap as the top teams can't simply spend their way out of trouble and big buys can mess you up massively in the long term.
Bournemouth's squad market value is £371 million. A mid to lower table club on the whole.
Ajax £213 million, Benfica £348 million, Marseille £298 million. All clubs that have won the European cup and are massive clubs but have squads of less value.
I really do not see this as correct in all honestly as the English league has a huge advantage. When I grew up watching United in Europe it was always a treat as we were arguably playing teams from better leagues (Italy in the 90's and Spain in 00's). Watching Ronaldo go to a bigger club was a pain as I am sure it was for Liverpool fans watching Suarez go to Barcelona. That would never happen today and whilst I always wished for the Premier League to be the juggernaut it is today to dominate world football. Now it is here it does feel like watching European nights are not as special as it used to be.
I think the Super League is an inevitability in that respect. Especially when PSR will stop the traditional top teams to outspend the lower sides and they get frustrated and with the modern world a Man Utd vs Brighton is of no real difference to a Man Utd vs Juventus match. They all travel on private jet anyway.
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The money in the game cycles round, Italy were the big boys in the 90's, they were spending like crazy back then. For the last 10-15 years its been the EPL, how long will that continue is anyones guess.
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Adam, man... Have you slept too little or too much today? 
Such a sensationalist view through such a narrow perspective - TV money and club market value is not representative or a replacer for prestige and heritage with in countries
Ajax and Milan have not been replaced. You think the Rossoneri masses are migrating to Bournemouth? (a sensationalist question to fit)
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Such a sensationalist view through such a narrow perspective - TV money and club market value is not representative or a replacer for prestige and heritage with in countries
I was pointing out squad market value. Do you think it is correct that Bournemouth should have a better squad value than those clubs? Just because of where the club is based?
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Squad market value is built on so many factors, it literally changes weekly based on a club drifting up and down their respective league table and does not mean diddly squat to a clubs place in the football pantheon...
Do i think it's right, yes, because those players are worth more to Bournemouth than they are to Ajax in terms of monetary position. The premier league clubs earn more money through tv and sponsorship deals. It's natural their players who are holding them in those places will have a larger overall value generally speaking... there's no club nostalgia / fan perspective value behind players to be considered.
You're pulling together an immediate current finacial position and extrapolating the erosion of heritage... Simply though... Is it possible Bournemouth could eventually over decades replace Ajax, no because they're not a Dutch club. They're not an Italian club. These teams are rooted in heritage but also nationalism. The Premier league isn't the be-all of football, people will always want to see the best of the nations go against each other.
Google overlords for a bit of info as well on market value...
The squad market value of a football team is a complex figure influenced by a multitude of factors, both on and off the pitch. Here's a breakdown of the key elements that go into determining this value:
1. Individual Player Market Values:
1. Individual Player Market Values:
- Age: Younger players generally have higher market values due to their potential for development and longer remaining playing careers.
- Ability & Performance: Current performance levels, statistical data (goals, assists, tackles, pass accuracy, etc.), and overall impact on the team significantly influence a player's value. Consistent top performers command premium prices.
- Potential: Scouts and analysts assess a player's potential for future growth. Players with high ceilings are highly sought after, driving up their market value.
- Position: Historically, attacking players (forwards, attacking midfielders) tend to have higher values than defensive players or goalkeepers, although this can shift depending on the market and individual talents.
- Reputation & International Experience: Players with established reputations, international caps, and experience in major tournaments often have a higher perceived value.
- Contract Length: Players nearing the end of their contracts have less bargaining power, leading to potentially lower market values unless a new contract is agreed upon. A long contract suggests stability and commitment, increasing value.
- Injury History: Frequent injuries can negatively impact a player's value due to concerns about their long-term fitness and availability.
- Marketability & Commercial Appeal: Players with a strong personal brand and off-field appeal can attract sponsorships and endorsements, indirectly increasing their value to a club.
- Average Age of Squad: A younger squad with high potential can have a higher overall value than an aging squad, even if the latter is currently more successful.
- Squad Depth: A squad with strong backups and competition for places is considered more valuable than one with a significant drop-off in quality beyond the starting eleven.
- Recent Performance & League Position: Teams consistently performing well and finishing in top positions of their respective leagues are seen as having more valuable squads.
- Continental Qualification: Teams participating in prestigious continental competitions like the UEFA Champions League or Europa League generally have more valuable squads due to exposure and potential revenue.
- League Competitiveness: Players in more competitive leagues (e.g., Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga) are often valued higher due to the higher level of competition.
- Transfer Market Inflation: The overall inflation in the transfer market plays a role. A booming market will drive up prices across the board.
- Demand for Specific Players: High demand from multiple clubs for a particular player will significantly increase their value.
- Selling Club's Financial Situation: Clubs in financial difficulty may be forced to sell players at lower prices, impacting squad market value.
- Buying Club's Financial Power: The purchasing power of clubs looking to buy players influences the market. Wealthy clubs can afford to pay premium prices, inflating the market.
- Economic Climate: The broader economic climate can impact the football transfer market, affecting the affordability of player acquisitions.
- Team Chemistry & Cohesion: While hard to quantify, a team with strong chemistry and a cohesive playing style can be considered more valuable than the sum of its individual parts.
- Management & Coaching Staff: The presence of a renowned and successful manager can indirectly increase the perceived value of the squad.
- Club's Reputation & History: Clubs with a strong history and global brand recognition might have a slightly inflated squad value due to their prestige.
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The other side of the coin is true also, there is no right because you were a big club to remain a big club. There's some eastern european teams from the 60's and 70's that were very successful back in the day but are absolutely nowhere nowadays. The one massive advantage we have here is our language, English is like the TCP/IP of the internet, everyone speaks it as their second language. Very easy for us to get people from all over the world to watch our league.
Double for Donkai Havertz tonight.
done his ACL
