Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [25th - 26th January 2025]
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Its almost certainly Arsenal fans but where they are from is the question. There was an article on the BBC the other day about a woman that had a guy expose himself to her when she was doing a web seminar... he was in India and she was complaining that the police don't do enough. Theres only so much the police can do when the **** is half way across the world.
The ref got it wrong - which happens. More of an issue is how VAR then didnt point out his error.
In a season we seem to have gone from VAR being way over the top and forensically examining every little thig - to this season, checking offsides and pretty much rubber stamping everything else. It is an improvement over last season but should probablay be somewhere between the two. Would like to see a few ref decisions actually passed back for review.
In a season we seem to have gone from VAR being way over the top and forensically examining every little thig - to this season, checking offsides and pretty much rubber stamping everything else. It is an improvement over last season but should probablay be somewhere between the two. Would like to see a few ref decisions actually passed back for review.
Because, rightly or wrongly, it's not the VAR's job to intervene on what they believe are marginal decisions and despite the hysteria around it, it wasn't an absolute howler. As soon as a player goes in studs first above the ankle, you run the risk of getting sent off and if the onfield call is a red, it's almost certainly not going to be overturned. Equally had the ref given a yellow, the VAR wouldn't have told him to upgrade it to a red either.
I agree, red not as ridiculous as some are making it out to be. In super slo mo it looks pretty bad, it’s definitely studs up and above the ankle.
Arteta is fostering a persecution complex at that club so no surprise it’s spreading through parts of the fan base.
Arteta is fostering a persecution complex at that club so no surprise it’s spreading through parts of the fan base.
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I don't think it's on Arteta, its more a culmination of the weird red cards we've gotten recently, our history with this specific referee, and the general lack of consistency and quality of the officiating. Oh and we've got some of the craziest online fans.
In the super slow mo you can maybe make an argument why it could be a red, but I'm not having that Oliver has seen that in real time. If he's gone to the monitor and sticks with the red then fair enough, but it would still be a harsh decision. The whole situation is made worse when later on in the match we see a much worse tackle only get a 2nd yellow. In that situation its within VARs remit to advise for a straight red but nada. Just like a number of our reds this season, there's always going to be arguments why it can be seen as a red, but they all become irrelevant when we eventually see the exact same situations go unpunished multiple times.
You know its a bad decision when even notorious anti-arsenal pundits are baffled by it. I've seen enough over the last couple of days to know the PGMOL is sus as hell.
In the super slow mo you can maybe make an argument why it could be a red, but I'm not having that Oliver has seen that in real time. If he's gone to the monitor and sticks with the red then fair enough, but it would still be a harsh decision. The whole situation is made worse when later on in the match we see a much worse tackle only get a 2nd yellow. In that situation its within VARs remit to advise for a straight red but nada. Just like a number of our reds this season, there's always going to be arguments why it can be seen as a red, but they all become irrelevant when we eventually see the exact same situations go unpunished multiple times.
You know its a bad decision when even notorious anti-arsenal pundits are baffled by it. I've seen enough over the last couple of days to know the PGMOL is sus as hell.
The still and slow mow look a lot worse, he brushes his ankle, its not a raking and it's a trip with the top of his foot. Not a chance in hell it's serious foul play, especially if the second yellow was deemed as not having enough force for a red.
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What's the alternative though? That he just randomly decided to send him off for nothing? As hard done by by Oliver as Arsenal fans might feel, he's not sending a player off for a trip. That's mad as he knows it will be overturned by VAR and he'll look stupid and or it'll create this exact **** storm with him subject to even greater scrutiny and abuse. I think it's plainly obvious that he has seen Lewis-Skelly leading with his studs and making contact above the ankle. How close he is and the angle he's looking from would support that too. Maybe had he not been so close to the challenge and looking at it from another angle he'd a have been in a better position to judge the force and may have ended up giving a yellow instead.
The other stuff about him going to the monitor and other challenges is just a consequence of how VAR is used and why I hate it. As I mentioned earlier, the VAR's job isn't to determine whether the ref has made the right decision, it's to decide whether he was obviously wrong (which leads to missed overturns) and a result of that is the ref can make give two completely different decisions to two identical (or similar) challenges and VAR can back up both.
As for pundits, I think most are just morons. Half of them weren't even aware what he was actually sent off for and were banging on about him being sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity. Whether I agree with his final conclusion or not, Dale Johnson is my go-to for these contentious decisions because he's not part of the PGMOL but understands the laws of the game and VAR inside out. In his weekly VAR piece he covers the challenge and explains how the decision was came to, even if it was ultimately wrong.
I don't think he will be
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Also because he got a straight red would have meant he would have missed the league cup game against Newcastle......... That is a conflict of interest imo and was something that was missed and he should have never reffed that game as he could have had direct influence in the Newcastle League Cup game.
Thats some 4d chess you have going on there. Refs wouldn't be able to referee any games if you got to decide the criteria.
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That is why imo refs should be brought from abroad. Bring the best refs in regardless of nationality.
Refs from abroad will still have biases and every country has a slightly different way of refereeing games. Referees in Europe are also no better than ours in most cases.
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Spain are actively asking for our refs to go over there and train their refs.... Which country would you go to get better refs?