Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14th - 17th Jan 2012]
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What exactly has Mancini done wrong?
On both occasions he has asked for cards it has been correct imo and do you blame him for having a go at the officials when they can't get basic decisions right?
Heaven forbid if he actually criticized a ref personally.
You know like;
On both occasions he has asked for cards it has been correct imo and do you blame him for having a go at the officials when they can't get basic decisions right?
Heaven forbid if he actually criticized a ref personally.
You know like;
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Irrelevant. Players and managers shouldn't do it.
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What has Fergie got to do with it 
I've not once claimed they should.
The sarcastic style of your previous point seemed to me that you were saying that because other managers have done it, Mancini was 'okay' to do it.
Claimed Rooney got Kompany sent off by waving an imaginary card only to then do the same himself in the next 2 games
The irony being that Rooney didn't brandish any imaginary card.... Mancini must have imaginary cards on the brain
Players and managers shouldn't do it but the amount of abuse that Mancini is getting is not right for two little things he has done and neither of which have impacted the decision by the ref anyway.
If both times the ref had taken action after Mancini then people could be angry because it affected the game.
and Tom, Rooney did impact the ref's decision so Mancini has the right to be angry. Probably thought to himself if everyone else gets away with it i will do it. It isn't right that he thought this but oh well.
If both times the ref had taken action after Mancini then people could be angry because it affected the game.
The fact you are having a go at Mancini saying that it sums him up. Well surely all the abuse that Fergie sums him up as well then?What has Fergie got to do with it
and Tom, Rooney did impact the ref's decision so Mancini has the right to be angry. Probably thought to himself if everyone else gets away with it i will do it. It isn't right that he thought this but oh well.
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You know Fergie isn't my dad right? He's said and done some incredibly stupid things, that doesn't make it ok that Mancini does it.
Mancini deserves what he gets over this and it's a shame the FA don't take action.
There is no excuse, certainly not the weakest 'other people do it' excuse, players and managers and staff shouldn't do it end of argument.
I'll never defend a player or manager regardless of whom they play for over this. Don't make yourself look daft and defend Mancini Biz
There is no excuse, certainly not the weakest 'other people do it' excuse, players and managers and staff shouldn't do it end of argument.
I'll never defend a player or manager regardless of whom they play for over this. Don't make yourself look daft and defend Mancini Biz
Who said I was being sarcastic? And even if I was, I could have simply been referring to the hypocritical nature of some fans that criticise one person but not another (if of course there was another manager that has done what Mancini done).
Were you being sarcastic?
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Claimed Rooney got Kompany sent off by waving an imaginary card only to then do the same himself in the next 2 games
The irony being that Rooney didn't brandish any imaginary card.... Mancini must have imaginary cards on the brain
Herein lies the problem with the public at large... there is NO difference between yelling at a ref saying something should be a foul card, and waiving a card.
You just WANT there to be a difference.
IF I say hello to you, or sign hello to you in sign language the result is the same.
Wave a card, or run to a ref and yell and use words saying it should be a card. SAME GOD DAMNED THING.
Why to foreigners wave cards more....... the vast majority of ref's in Europe speak english(obviously not all as first manager) so for 30+ years of European football and foreign footballers in the UK it is easier to wave a card than say it...... if you don't speak English.
But English fans magically think that because our players simply SAY it rather than wave the card, it somehow doesn't count....... its hilariously daft. This all ignoring the fact that I've seen just about every player in the league wave a imaginary card at some point.
Mancini complained about Rooney because the Kompany foul was never in a million years a sending off, and the handball from Figueroa was as blatant as could be. LIkewise the Johnson foul was downright awful and a clear red card... here's a hint, complaining about a foul that was, and complaining about someone asking for a card for a foul that wasn't...... aren't remotely opposite sides of the same argument.
If Aguero for instance had dived and asked for a penalty and it was clear for all to see it wasn't a penalty and THEN Mancini started waiving a card and asking for a penalty.... that would make him a hypocrite.
I dislike Mancini , immensely, its called being unbiased, he did entirely nothing wrong either against Pool or last night, he's done plenty other wrong and is doing disturbingly badly for a half a billion team(that contract wise is on the hook for another what, circa 800 million in wages as it stands(so its actually a 1.5BILLION team right now
) but having a go at him for asking for a player to be sent off, is ridiculous.Seriously, when did it become illegal to ask the ref to do his job..... but its perfectly okay for the ref to be hopeless at his job. When it's your own team, you jump to one side of the argument(fans in general and MANY of the fans on here), and when its another team you jump to the opposite side of the argument easily, biased and with no thinking.
The ref was at fault for the Kompany decision, was at fault for the Johnson decision and was at fault for the Figueroa, neither Rooney, nor Mancini did anything wrong, the only idiots are the ref and Gerrard talking rubbish.
Rooney hopefully thought it actually was a red card, and screamed at the ref, so what.
its okay to ask for a penalty when it is a penalty, its okay to put your hand up to appeal to the ref for a throw in and corner, but when someone does a foul its totally dispicible to again communicate to the ref over the decision?
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Of course I was
But as above, I wasn't suggesting it was ok. If people are that bothered with what Mancini has done then why aren't they moaning nearly every week when another manager is doing the same.
Of course I was
But as above, I wasn't suggesting it was ok. If people are that bothered with what Mancini has done then why aren't they moaning nearly every week when another manager is doing the same.
Then why didn't you just say that in your above post?
People are bothered by what he's done. It's also helped that he's come out so public ally against players and staff trying to influence the referee then proceeded to do it in the next two games Manchester City have played. So he's not only a hypocrite, he's a stupid one.
I take the point that certain posters and fans in general are fickle and tribal, but it's irrelevant. Mancini did something wrong, people have commented on this, certain people have defended him.
Some people are bothered by what he's done, most accept it's not the best thing to do but in all honesty don't give a flying ****. The ones that fall into the 2nd category and are criticising him are only doing so to score points.
If so many people were genuinely bothered by what he done then we'll be having the same comments nearly every week but we don't.
If so many people were genuinely bothered by what he done then we'll be having the same comments nearly every week but we don't.
We might do if these incidents were given punishments by the FA and given more damming media light.
I take the point that most of the United fans (and others) will have a go at him over this on a point scoring level, but it doesn't mean they're wrong does it?
How do you know Rooney influenced the ref? You may have the opinion that he did (it's not one I agree with) but only the ref knows if he was influenced or not. Rooney wasn't the only one appealing then anyway, Carrick was also there insinuating it was a two footed lunge.
As for Mancini I would hope a grown man wouldn't have the philosophy of if you cant beat them join them