Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [8th - 12th September 2017]

Tbf I imagine that majority of fans saw us winning against Bournemouth. So probably why there wasn't any atmosphere there.

TBH I didn't watch the game so just thinking that's probably why it was so quiet today.

I heard about the boos towards Sanchez and if true that's not very nice. He didn't do anything wrong, he could have handed in a transfer or forced his move but he didn't. He's decided to stay even though he won't sign a contract extension.
 
McBain said:
What an absolute farce that whole 'stop the game because someone is down' is, United on the ball, dangerous about to put the ball in and it ends up with the ball back at De Gea. **** off with that.
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FrankJH said:
Yeah that was awful decision, but not the 1st by the terrible referee
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You might not agree with the rule but the decision was perfectly correct. If there's a head injury then the official is meant to stop the game. Stoke had a player down for a fair few seconds with a head injury - the ref was absolutely right in stopping the game.

Regarding the rule, not the decision, what I think they should do is award the side that was in possession of the ball with a free-kick from the point where the game was stopped.
 
Shambolic defending today. Once again Valencia's lack of ability to cross was plain to see, I think I've seen him hit 3 good crosses during his tenure and I guess they were miss-hits.

I can't take too much away from the attackers because whilst they could have finished more chances at least they got two... the defenders on the other hand... Bailly was still on holiday and Jones well... Jones gonna Jones.

**** poor performance, we could easily have lost today and tougher tests are going to put this defence under the kosh big time. The shakyness was even evident in previous games but the opposition weren't good enough the capitalise.
 
Christ, what in gods name was going on in Liverpools defence today? City going through at will. It was worse defending than us against them last week.
 
BaZ87 said:
But you weren't down to 10 men chasing the game.
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A half excuse. Even in the situation Liverpool were in, they still should have defended a hell of a lot better than that. Whats the point in chasing a game if you're gonna be a total sieve at the other end?
 
robfosters said:
Christ, what in gods name was going on in Liverpools defence today? City going through at will. It was worse defending than us against them last week.
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Attack focused philosophy with a man down against a top quality team.

Not seen the highlights yet but it's easy to see how it could happen.

Most of the focus always seems to be on United's spending but City have spent **** loads this season and it's not hard to imagine what they should be capable of. Can you imagine the uproar on here (and elsewhere) if Utd spent as much this season.
 
sigma said:
Most of the focus always seems to be on United's spending but City have spent **** loads this season and it's not hard to imagine what they should be capable of. Can you imagine the uproar on here (and elsewhere) if Utd spent as much this season.
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Really? Not so much on here because we don't have many/any City fans, but there's been more talk generally about City's spending than Utd's from what I've seen anyway. In real terms Utd actually spent slightly more than City this summer - City spent roughly £220m and recouped around £80m compared to Utd spending £160m and recouping around £10m.
robfosters said:
A half excuse. Even in the situation Liverpool were in, they still should have defended a hell of a lot better than that. Whats the point in chasing a game if you're gonna be a total sieve at the other end?
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How on earth is it a half excuse? Of course we could have defended better but when you're chasing a game and down to 10 men against the best side in the league and controlling possession and picking you apart, you're always going to struggle. You only had to watch the game to see how big a turning point the red card was. Even at 1-0 down, Liverpool were the better side, causing City far more defensive problems than they caused us.

And why chase the game? Surely that's obvious. At half time maybe there was a 0.1% chance of getting something out of the game but as a supporter I'd rather risk losing 5 or 6-0 by chasing that 0.1% chance than accepting your fate and shutting up shop, and probably still end up losing 3 or 4-0.
 
Shamikebab said:
Utd spent slightly more but when you consider our revenue City spent a ridiculous amount.
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A clubs revenue is irrelevant in the context of the points sigma made. Where a club get their funds from has no bearing on what they should be capable of based on what they've spent and he queried what the reaction would be like if Utd spent as much as City did - well they did spend as much.

If you're looking at spend relative to turnover then the likes of Brighton and Huddersfield spent ridiculous money too.

In the last 2 summers both City and Utd have spent an absolute fortune and on paper should be streets ahead of even the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs.
 
sigma said:
I thought City spent £200+ and Utd spent ~£150?
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City spent roughly £220m gross and Utd £160m gross. City sold a lot of players though and brought in around £80m compared to just £10m for Utd so in actual net terms City spent roughly £140m this summer and Utd around £150m.
 
BaZ87 said:
But you weren't down to 10 men chasing the game.
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Technically we started with 10, you started with 11, went down to 10 then chose to bring Ox on and went down to 9, which is really your own fault ;)


Liverpool's defending was insane before Mane got sent off, while KDB picked that pass out well your defence was both ignoring Aguero while also leaving that gap. Considering he was basically the only threat at that moment either defender closest could have either stuck with him or stood between him and the ball making the pass impossible(at least on the ground) and most of the defending after going down to 10 was similar. ultimately while your threat upfront was instantly taken out of the game and you would have to defend more with more pressure, the fact that the defence was abysmal in it's own right has extremely little to do with being down to 10.


Utd, had to laugh at those who decided Valencia became a great right back last year, for the most part Mourinho defended the tougher games by playing 6 at the back. Takes any fullback in a back 4 and play a tactic which is a back 6 without the ball with midfield deep to provide cover and the fullbacks will look better. Valencia has always been below average for Utd, well he had one half good season as a winger where he actually scored and assisted but he played no differently to today. He blasts the ball in usually without any thought, accuracy and timing. Just blast ball and where it goes who the hell cares. That one season he scored/assisted well he got like 3 deflected goals and a few of his crazy blasted crosses ended up as goals or assists. Utd sticking with him for so long is mental.
 
BaZ87 said:
You might not agree with the rule but the decision was perfectly correct. If there's a head injury then the official is meant to stop the game. Stoke had a player down for a fair few seconds with a head injury - the ref was absolutely right in stopping the game.

Regarding the rule, not the decision, what I think they should do is award the side that was in possession of the ball with a free-kick from the point where the game was stopped.
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Even though he was blatantly faking , the decision itself wasnt the problem - it was how it was enforced

(not to mention all the soft fouls given in Stoke's favour throughout the match)

BaZ87 said:
City spent roughly £220m gross and Utd £160m gross. City sold a lot of players though and brought in around £80m compared to just £10m for Utd so in actual net terms City spent roughly £140m this summer and Utd around £150m.
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Utd's turnover is vastly different though, the spend itself is only 1/2 the story
 
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omnomnom said:
Your revenue doesn't change what you have spent...not entirely sure why it's relevant tbh.
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Because more should be expected of a club that spends 80% of it's revenue than a club that spends 8% of it's revenue. Same way that £30m spent on a player today is entirely different to £30m spent on a player 20 years ago. If you're spending a lower percentage of your revenue then it's less of an impact on the club finances and you're more able to sustain that level of spending on a consistent basis.

If it doesn't matter then why are we taking players sold into account? What does that have to do with the amount a club has spent?
 
Shamikebab said:
Because more should be expected of a club that spends 80% of it's revenue than a club that spends 8% of it's revenue. Same way that £30m spent on a player today is entirely different to £30m spent on a player 20 years ago. If you're spending a lower percentage of your revenue then it's less of an impact on the club finances and you're more able to sustain that level of spending on a consistent basis.

If it doesn't matter then why are we taking players sold into account? What does that have to do with the amount a club has spent?
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How much a club has sold doesn't much matter financially, but it implies the situation of how much the squad has improved. If you spend 150mil and sell no one, you expect the squad to have improved massively, if you sell 150mil of players and buy 150mil of players, you might well expect the squad to have changed composition but not directly be stronger. More a case of exchanging players who don't fit your proposed system for ones that do as well as hopefully selling players for more than they are worth and buying great value players for less than they are worth.

If Utd bought 5 players you'd expect them to be stronger than if they both bought 5 players and sold 5 players.
 
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