Grenfell speeder

Sliver · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:14

Dis86 said:
Who designs machines which keep.people alive?
He might save a life in a day. I might design something that saves thousands.

I doubt you could even tie your own shoe laces!

Dis86 · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:15

Sliver said:
I doubt you could even tie your own shoe laces!

Velco. Now go back to your safe space and have a cry.

Hagar · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:18

Presumably he will now provide financial support to the NHS for the additional insurance premiums for a driver with 12 points on his licence, and again hopefully will obey every single speed limit for the next x years that he has these points. He was lucky.

Diddums · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:30

Dis86 said:
Velco. Now go back to your safe space and have a cry.

Velcro

Get back to your crayons son, you're not ready fore the bantz.

Dis86 · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:31

Diddums said:
Velcro

Get back to your crayons son, you're not ready fore the bantz.

Thekwango · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:36

atpbx said:
What about the actual facts of the matter rather than the what ifs?

He hasnt killed anybody, didnt kill anybody, wasnt in accident of any kind, he just drove faster than the speed limit.

He actually works at a critical position in the health service and banning him from driving and preventing him from doing his job over a misdemeanour and not something serious would be the actions of someone suffering from brain death.

Diving at 116mph is not a misdemeanour, surely?!
And you do have to consider the what ifs. If you are prone to driving at those speeds you exponentially increase the risk to their road users. I'm sorry but there's no justification for anyone driving at 116mph and there's no justification for letting them off with a slap on the wrist.

And no I'm not suffering from brain death.

Tom_ed1987 · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:45

I'm unsure whether this is a 'Tragedy hero fallen from grace' story or an 'outrage at leniant sentence' story.

Good move by the judge though. Speeding is pretty much a non-crime & it's ridiculous that the punishments for it can ruin an otherwise law abiding persons life.

RetiredGreyFox · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:54

Nobody got hurt, nobody died and he saves lives however he should have had a really heavy fine.

VincentHanna · 11 Jan 2018 at 22:56

£635 is quite a lot and his insurance won't be cheap, assuming the NHS don't cover it.

Thekwango · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:04

Tom_ed1987 said:
Speeding is pretty much a non-crime & it's ridiculous that the punishments for it can ruin an otherwise law abiding persons life.

really? it's a non-crime? and it's ridiculous to be punished for it?!

what's ridiculous is the leniency often shown for excessive, habitual speeding. there should be a sliding scale (maybe there is?) a few mph over the limit, depending on the circumstances (road/area) etc then a telling off or small fine. ~65% over the speed limit is not a small fine and telling off territory.

in my own town there have been several road deaths in the last 18-24 months. all caused by excessive speed. all easily preventable. excessive speeding should never be excused and shame on anyone who does try and excuse it.

chaparral · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:20

VincentHanna said:
£635 is quite a lot and his insurance won't be cheap, assuming the NHS don't cover it.

£635 is nothing really to a manager and how much it costs for taxi's/buses/trains etc. if he was banned....

VincentHanna · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:22

He's a paramedic, he's hardly going to be getting a taxi to an emergency call out.

chaparral · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:27

VincentHanna said:
He's a paramedic, he's hardly going to be getting a taxi to an emergency call out.

I guess you never been banned from driving and seen how much it costs to get taxi's to work and back..

Plus shopping and everywhere you want or need to go..

VincentHanna · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:29

Nope, only ever had 3 points in fact in 18 years of driving and that was doing 39 in a 30 coming out of Glastonbury festival on a road which had no obvious signage and a hidden police van (when they were allowed to do such things)

Anyway, the point is that a Paramedic isn't going to be taking taxis or buses or trains to emergency call outs to save lives...

chaparral · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:34

VincentHanna said:
Nope, only ever had 3 points in fact in 18 years of driving and that was doing 39 in a 30 coming out of Glastonbury festival on a road which had no obvious signage and a hidden police van (when they were allowed to do such things)

Anyway, the point is that a Paramedic isn't going to be taking taxis or buses or trains to emergency call outs to save lives...

He should been banned....There always someone else to do his job if he lost it...

I get really annoyed at always seeing people get off because there a taxi/bus/lorry etc etc driver...They new the laws when they broke it..

Thekwango · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:41

VincentHanna said:
Nope, only ever had 3 points in fact in 18 years of driving and that was doing 39 in a 30 coming out of Glastonbury festival on a road which had no obvious signage and a hidden police van (when they were allowed to do such things)

Anyway, the point is that a Paramedic isn't going to be taking taxis or buses or trains to emergency call outs to save lives...

Exactly. He's a paramedic and knows how important his license is to him. Yet decided it was sensible to drive at 116mph. He didn't make a woopsie and drive at 75 or 80mph. He stuck his foot to the floor without a thought. He should have been banned.

FoxEye · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:41

Roar87 said:
I don't drive, but the 70mph limit is stupid these days anyway, when the limit was conceived most cars couldn't even do 70mph, and now we've just arbitrarily left it at 70mph. Speeding can be dangerous, but on a clear motorway in good conditions in a modern car it's absolutely not an issue.

Maybe so, but they've considered raising the limit several times, done analysis and modelling, and decided to leave the limits as is.

But in sentiment I agree. Everyone breaks the 70 limit on dual carriageways and motorways, myself included. It's perfectly safe so long as everyone is scanning the road sufficiently far ahead, and not focused on the car in front.

30 zones are a different story. I try to stick to those religiously, and even in some places drop down to 20 where I don't feel 30 is safe. The drivers who overtake me in 30 zones (when I'm doing 29/30) and then speed off are the ones I really have no time for.

Thekwango · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:44

Question.

For those saying he was right to not be banned because of his job. Where do you draw the line? At what point does his job stop protecting him? 120mph, 130mph, or does he have to cause an accident and does it have to be a serious one?

Dis86 · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:48

Tom_ed1987 said:
I'm unsure whether this is a 'Tragedy hero fallen from grace' story or an 'outrage at leniant sentence' story.

Good move by the judge though. Speeding is pretty much a non-crime & it's ridiculous that the punishments for it can ruin an otherwise law abiding persons life.

In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor

The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph

http://think.direct.gov.uk/speed.html

Yup. Speed is a total none issue to those 3000 people and their families.

VincentHanna · 11 Jan 2018 at 23:58

Dis86 said:
In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor

The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph

http://think.direct.gov.uk/speed.html

Yup. Speed is a total none issue to those 3000 people and their families.

I'm no fan of speeders, but this is the road in question

It's not like a kid is going to be crossing the road.

I just think with the NHS in the state it's in, we need people like this in the job saving lives, not banned because he drove fast.

I'm sure the guy knows first hand exactly what accidents do to people....