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The only plus is that group work is usually only undertaken within arts/media courses, and in these industries it also doesn't really mater what grade you get.
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Just you wait 'till you have to work as a group as part of your job. Especially if it is an important project.
Working with idiots is just one of those things you need to get used to. Make sure you look after yourself, don't let them drag you down to their level.
OT: Just checked your site, good to see you finally got a decent job dude. I remember you having a few problems a while back. Good luck.
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Today I did a load of PCB CAD in a pair. Well I mean the dopey girl just sat on facebook for 4hours while I did it. She has no clue what is going on.......but she is not even trying to understand. She missed a lab (which had nothing to do with this work) as she was ill and she keps saying but I was ill, despite me saying this work has NOTHING TO DO with the lab she missed.
I will submit it, and we will get a joint mark.
Last year a chinese girl did so little we actually got her mark reduced to %40 for the coursework.
I severly dislike group work, as I want a 2:1 (which in engineering is damn hard) and so I am the one colaborating reports and merging individual sections.
It is just the way it is - As the highest acheiver in some groups I end up doing twice what the others do. I also get ****ed off when people send me their sections at 2am of the day it is due in. It is also annoying when other group members send you work so crappy it is fit for toilet paper.
In 2nd and 3rd year on my course (Beng), they don't even let you choose your groups.
I fully understand your frustration.
I will submit it, and we will get a joint mark.
Last year a chinese girl did so little we actually got her mark reduced to %40 for the coursework.
I severly dislike group work, as I want a 2:1 (which in engineering is damn hard) and so I am the one colaborating reports and merging individual sections.
It is just the way it is - As the highest acheiver in some groups I end up doing twice what the others do. I also get ****ed off when people send me their sections at 2am of the day it is due in. It is also annoying when other group members send you work so crappy it is fit for toilet paper.
In 2nd and 3rd year on my course (Beng), they don't even let you choose your groups.
I fully understand your frustration.
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Thank you very much, that's really kind!
I've been extremely lucky, not only with finding a company with decent clients outside of London, but two of them. Also an unbelievably good opportunity as the only two people that work for the copywriting agency are the director and myself and we've got some massive clients. So yeah, thanks again!
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Fortunately at Uni I only had one group project which was actually worth any marks. That was in a group of four; three of us did the work between us and the other person did absolutely nothing at all ... which one of the others was happy with as he was scared of her 
... the Professor was well aware of what happened and marks were awarded, or not awarded, accordingly.
In the OPs case I would definitely drop the person involved in it as this is a third year project and you say you can prove that they tried to plagiarise. They should know by now how serious that could be and if you hadn't have picked it up then you could have all got ino a great deal of trouble.
... the Professor was well aware of what happened and marks were awarded, or not awarded, accordingly.In the OPs case I would definitely drop the person involved in it as this is a third year project and you say you can prove that they tried to plagiarise. They should know by now how serious that could be and if you hadn't have picked it up then you could have all got ino a great deal of trouble.
With Uni group work in the past I've ended up doing an entire project myself right at the start and swapping bits out when other group members do them (To an acceptable standard). Its meant a lot of extra work some of which in the end wasn't needed, but removed a hell of a lot of stress the couple of days before it was due as I knew their was a complete project to hand that was going to get a good mark.
The first group project I had was a complete nightmare. The tutor decided that the 'fairest' way of setting the groups would be to rank everyone by their marks for the previous year and then work the way down the list assigning each person to one of the twenty groups in sequence, effective meaning that each group was guaranteed at lease one complete doser.
Good luck with your project and is this your final year or do you have another to go, in which case will this mark even count towards your degree classification?
The first group project I had was a complete nightmare. The tutor decided that the 'fairest' way of setting the groups would be to rank everyone by their marks for the previous year and then work the way down the list assigning each person to one of the twenty groups in sequence, effective meaning that each group was guaranteed at lease one complete doser.
Good luck with your project and is this your final year or do you have another to go, in which case will this mark even count towards your degree classification?
Should have done a maths degree. Solo work all the way.
I think we had one project you could do in pairs if you wanted and could choose who you wanted to work with, but most did in singles. I'd hate to have to drag anyone through my work-stress bubble.
Meanwhilst my boyfriend is doing computer science and always complaining about his groups for group projects. He came home today wanting to punch one of them.
I can relate to everything you've said there.
I'm in the second year of my engineering degree and having just finished a 4 week project I'm incredibly frustrated. As a group of 6 there were only 2 of us even remotely interested in gaining a decent mark. As a result of our hard work, the rest of the lazy ****s will be getting a reasonable mark, and because of their complete ineptitude I'll be missing out on the really good marks I could have had.
Thank god the individual report was an opportunity to vent my anger...
In my 2nd year i had the pleasure of having two group projects, both of which i had quite significant problems with.
First group wasn't bad, but but had one lad that was missing for months at a time, then came in for an hour before disappearing again.
when he did come in all he did was talk crap about how other team members were not doing enough work, or in one case how one member was trying to rob him of work I told him exactly were to go.
The most annoying thing however was not him never turning up, it was the fact that at the beginning of the year our tutor would tell us that if we had problems with people not doing the work to go an see him and he would sort it out.
I did this endlessly and nothing was ever one. I actually asked for him to be removed from our group at one point, since he was never there anyway and was told that it wasn't possible because he had nowhere else to put him....
Second group was much worse. We literally had to write a games design document which was getting marked solely on how it was written, not game idea.
I did my own in a week after the rest of the team wouldn't do anything but talk themselves into circles about some stupid idea they concocted.
Asked to hand mine in separately and was refused.
I think overall the idea of group work in uni is flawed, although to some degree still needed.
I think the problem lies with the rules been too lax. the lad in my first group didn't attend 90% of his lessons, yet surprise surprise he was still there in 3rd year.
If people knew they would be removed if they didn't perform the problem wouldn't occur because they wouldn't be there in the first place. To some degree i blame the government cramming in as many people into uni as possible, even the ones that really shouldn't be there.
First group wasn't bad, but but had one lad that was missing for months at a time, then came in for an hour before disappearing again.
when he did come in all he did was talk crap about how other team members were not doing enough work, or in one case how one member was trying to rob him of work
I told him exactly were to go.The most annoying thing however was not him never turning up, it was the fact that at the beginning of the year our tutor would tell us that if we had problems with people not doing the work to go an see him and he would sort it out.
I did this endlessly and nothing was ever one. I actually asked for him to be removed from our group at one point, since he was never there anyway and was told that it wasn't possible because he had nowhere else to put him....
Second group was much worse. We literally had to write a games design document which was getting marked solely on how it was written, not game idea.
I did my own in a week after the rest of the team wouldn't do anything but talk themselves into circles about some stupid idea they concocted.
Asked to hand mine in separately and was refused.
I think overall the idea of group work in uni is flawed, although to some degree still needed.
I think the problem lies with the rules been too lax. the lad in my first group didn't attend 90% of his lessons, yet surprise surprise he was still there in 3rd year.
If people knew they would be removed if they didn't perform the problem wouldn't occur because they wouldn't be there in the first place. To some degree i blame the government cramming in as many people into uni as possible, even the ones that really shouldn't be there.
Yeah I hated group work in uni, especially when you were forced to work with people you didn't know, I could never trust them as they never showed up to any of the planned meetings or did the work that was assigned to them.
We left one guys name out of the final submission, afterwards he even had the cheek of emailing me about a different course basically asking for the answers.
We left one guys name out of the final submission, afterwards he even had the cheek of emailing me about a different course basically asking for the answers.
Group work at University is as much about seeing how you deal with other people as the work you produce. I did a programming project to develop a monopoly game when I was in second or third year - two of the four members basically did nothing. We simply stated this on our report, and they were marked down (one guy got 20%, other 40%). The marker commended us for speaking up, and trying to work round the issues.
If you suffer in silence and hand in shoddy work, your mark will suffer. If someone doesn't pull their weight, make it apparent.
If you suffer in silence and hand in shoddy work, your mark will suffer. If someone doesn't pull their weight, make it apparent.
Working with people you don't know, not choosing who to work with, people not pulling their weight, 'grades' awarded to the team etc... sounds like the real world to me!
I think group work at uni is more similar to the real world than solo problem sets or even solo projects. Exams, on which most uni marks tend to be awarded, are nothing like the real world. I don't agree with anyone complaining that group work isn't like the real world - it's more like the real world than most other aspects of uni.
I think group work at uni is more similar to the real world than solo problem sets or even solo projects. Exams, on which most uni marks tend to be awarded, are nothing like the real world. I don't agree with anyone complaining that group work isn't like the real world - it's more like the real world than most other aspects of uni.
That's complete rubbish! At my uni all of the engineering disciplines do several group projects over the years. In fact, I have a project due in tomorrow which is a mix of chem, mech and electrical engineering students.
I agree with what other people have said, I really hate group projects. I always seem to get stuck with the group from hell, where people refuse to communicate or work together at all. I remember one project in 2nd year where one girl decided she was going to arrange meetings, but she only told one or two of a group of 5. I ended up having to do a whole report by myself because of that
.Group work is such an annoyance; I do loads and nooone else complies - you're at uni spending all that money to get a good degree, if you wanted to just be a waster then just move into the accomodation.
I have group projects in 3 or 4 modules this semester and I feel I've contributed quite my fair share, I've also asked/told in most I'll moderate the final piece before hand-in, I know that's quite bad but some people are just off the mark.
Then there's the 'individual report/group slate' and in this I really go for it, which is quite fun telling it exactly how it is, but it never changes the outcome.
I have group projects in 3 or 4 modules this semester and I feel I've contributed quite my fair share, I've also asked/told in most I'll moderate the final piece before hand-in, I know that's quite bad but some people are just off the mark.
Then there's the 'individual report/group slate' and in this I really go for it, which is quite fun telling it exactly how it is, but it never changes the outcome.
We had a group project due on what was going to be my last day at uni since I had decided to learn to go work instead. I did however do my work (to a higher standard than most of the group i might add) then excluded myself from the group mark lol
We had to note down who did what and allocate the marks accordingly.
If you don't do that then speak to your tutor, he will care more about you than some freeloaders and might do something about it. It's their fault that they are lazy ****ers so they deserve whatever happens.
No, I'm an engineer.
At Notts we had our individual research and lab project in 3rd year then a proper mechanical design and build group project in 4th. Ok group work isn't the best and was hard especially as we were all good mates, but it went as well as it could have done, our golf ball firing machine that replicated amateur shots and pr0 shots with major spin worked like a gem. 72% wham bam thank you mam
If you don't do that then speak to your tutor, he will care more about you than some freeloaders and might do something about it. It's their fault that they are lazy ****ers so they deserve whatever happens.
No, I'm an engineer.
At Notts we had our individual research and lab project in 3rd year then a proper mechanical design and build group project in 4th. Ok group work isn't the best and was hard especially as we were all good mates, but it went as well as it could have done, our golf ball firing machine that replicated amateur shots and pr0 shots with major spin worked like a gem. 72% wham bam thank you mam
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tell someone. Dont lose out because of other peoples laziness.