[H]Fall 2012 GPU and Driver Comparison Roundup

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:15

You can't lose what you never had Tommy.

Anyways, that review isn't telling us anything we didn't already know and that is....Pains me to say it... 7970 is top dog. The part I do question is the amount H puts it ahead and do feel they was unfair using a 680 stock against a 7970 Ghz edition.

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:45

gregster said:
You can't lose what you never had Tommy.

LOL

gregster said:
Anyways, that review isn't telling us anything we didn't already know and that is....Pains me to say it... 7970 is top dog.

gregster said:

You been lifted yet?

gregster said:
The part I do question is the amount H puts it ahead and do feel they was unfair using a 680 stock against a 7970 Ghz edition.

Bottom line:

Welcome to the club mate.

AMD users were shouting from the rooftops(for months on end) from the very first 680 review that they were unfair due to auto clocking 680's v's stock 7970's.

We all got shot down in flames for mentioning it at the time, it was 99% totally dismissed from Nvidia users-they were adamant it was a fair comparison.

As I said, there's only 44Mhz of difference in that review-if anything, it's more a fair comparison to performance considering the 680 will be boosting.

I'm telling you mate, that review pains [H] seriously.

The Gold awards I posted speaks volumes of what vendor they support, here's one of them:

660ti SLI V's 7950 CrossFire

'The Radeon HD 7950's current pricing gives the GTX 660 Ti some hard competition. As it is, two GALAXY GTX 660 Ti's together will cost $640 and that buys you a gameplay experience way superior to a highly clocked GTX 680, and competes neck-to-neck with Radeon HD 7950 CrossFireX in framerate'

That is downright lies mate, considering Rusty's data on his average(not even working properly) 50's considerably out gunning his highly clocked golden 680's tells a totally different story!

There is no way [H] are favouring anything AMD right now.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:52

So they are not unused to lining their pockets then

Maybe AMDs brown envelope was bigger than Nvidias this time.

I will have a good look at that graph tomorrow and will compare mine to that if I can possibly lower my card that much. 'The Precious' won't like that but for the case of verification, I will

humbug · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:58

Looks like my 7870 beats the GTX 660Ti by 1 FPS Avg in BF3...

Sorry guys, i'm just feeling a little smug, i got beasted and laughed at (not here) for not waiting for the GTX 660TI and then not buying it when it did arrive.

I saved a wad of cash and have the better performance, now i'm having the last laugh.

Here is another thing, the [H] result seems to be about the only review that matches the FPS i actually get at stock in a similar bench. To many of them are quoting something stupid like 37 FPS Avg, sorry but that's BS.

Thanks AMD for not letting me down this time

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 02:11

gregster said:
So they are not unused to lining their pockets then Maybe AMDs brown envelope was bigger than Nvidias this time.

It was Galaxy 660's they used v the 50's in the quote above.

Galaxy line their pockets greg, they have been for quite a while now.

If they suddenly changed to AMD, they would have wiped the floor hands down in that review.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 02:12

The 7870 is the biggest winner out of these new drivers.

Fair enough Tommy. My phone is being a bitch and takes forever to load pages (if at all). I will have a good read tomorrow.

humbug · 13 Nov 2012 at 02:18

gregster said:
The 7870 is the biggest winner out of these new drivers.

Fair enough Tommy. My phone is being a bitch and takes forever to load pages (if at all). I will have a good read tomorrow.

I did reply to you gregster, check abundantcores Email

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 02:47

gregster said:
Fair enough Tommy.

At the end of the day current 680/7970 users are all going to have very, very similar performance@1080p-which the vast majority will be using.

It's only going to hurt Nvidia in the pocket as there is little point in spending(sometimes) a huge premium for less performance.

As I said earlier, enthusiasts want the fastest there is, today that's the 7970.

Nvidia's brand name isn't going to see them through on sales any more with the lead AMD now has.

If they don't drop prices, they are going to loose even more market share to AMD as it's considerably cheaper with a killer game bundle to boot, especially if the refreshes don't appear until March/April.

Rusty0611 · 13 Nov 2012 at 07:57

^

Lose.

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 08:06

tommybhoy said:
Nvidia's brand name isn't going to see them through on sales any more with the lead AMD now has.

I disagree with this part. The enthusiast market is only fairly small, the uneducated masses will still mainly buy nvidia because its the more recognised brand. Perhaps some market share might shift to AMD slowly but nvidia have fingers in a lot of lucrative pies.

People looking to buy cards now will still be looking at 680 launch reviews which show the 680 being faster/less power hungry. Nvidias PR has been excellent, selling an inferior card and making people believe its superior.

Rusty0611 · 13 Nov 2012 at 08:42

Well until the latest drivers it WAS superior. Not on paper and in spec but in game performance at 1080p it was faster in most games. High resolution is another matter but 1080 is most people's standard benchmark.

Of course it's different now with the 7970 having a slim margin out the box and a slimmer one when overclocked.

bru · 13 Nov 2012 at 08:44

Is there anything to be said about the prices of the two cards in question?

cheapest 680 £348

cheapest 7970 GHZ £400

humbug · 13 Nov 2012 at 08:53

psychodil said:
I disagree with this part. The enthusiast market is only fairly small, the uneducated masses will still mainly buy nvidia because its the more recognised brand. Perhaps some market share might shift to AMD slowly but nvidia have fingers in a lot of lucrative pies.

People looking to buy cards now will still be looking at 680 launch reviews which show the 680 being faster/less power hungry. Nvidias PR has been excellent, selling an inferior card and making people believe its superior.

This is true, AMD really need to push their brand out there, which they are starting to do now.

But they also need to get away from the bad CPU press which i'm sure is hurting GPU sales.
For that they need to make a CPU that can challenge Intel (Core for Core - Clock for Clock)

They can't do that, Intel spend billions on CPU development, AMD only have 26 pence, they do extremely well with nothing, but doing extremely well with nothing is not to same as throwing infinite amounts of money at it.

humbug · 13 Nov 2012 at 09:56

tommybhoy said:
After the mountains of negativity regarding AMD's performance gains, that was soo funny mate!

^

That is clear indication that [H] are in no way favoring AMD at this moment in time whatsoever.

Reading the comments here that [H] are favouring AMD well ...

Considering this gen, [H]'s reviews have seen 13 Gold awards going to Nvidia with a grand total of 4 Gold awards to AMD, go figure who's pocket [H] is in.

Thats just to funny not to quote

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 10:08

Rusty0611 said:
^

Lose.

Nah mate, I got my 7970 OC for £300 with 3 games, flashed it with the Ghz bios for free-Win, win, win.

psychodil said:
I disagree with this part. The enthusiast market is only fairly small

I'm talking specifically about the 7970 v's 680-the enthusiast market, remember, not the whole range.

Rusty0611 said:
Well until the latest drivers it WAS superior. Not on paper and in spec but in game performance at 1080p it was faster in most games. High resolution is another matter but 1080 is most people's standard benchmark.

Most have a short memory in here, the 12.8 betas in July/WHQL in August was the turning point with AMD's 79 series performance.

bru said:
Is there anything to be said about the prices of the two cards in question?

Don't know where the £400 Ghz comes from mate?

cheapest reference 680-£348 with 2 games.*edit* just noticed it's on offer too, normal price £360

cheapest 7970 is the custom cooled IceQ X²-£320(offer price-normal price £335) with 3 games

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 10:12

They compare the GHz edition card to the 680, and he is quite right the cheapest GHz edition card on this site is £400. Cards can be had around £330 that are about 40mhz slower though if you look. Its a good point though.

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 10:29

Your wrong psy, the X² is a GHz edition as I pointed out above on sale here.

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 10:33

tommybhoy said:
Your wrong psy, the X² is a GHz edition as I pointed out above on sale here.

I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up. Point about price now deemed null and void

Rusty0611 · 13 Nov 2012 at 10:42

tommybhoy said:
Nah mate, I got my 7970 OC for £300 with 3 games, flashed it with the Ghz bios for free-Win, win, win.

Spelling mistake 'looser'

tommybhoy said:
Most have a short memory in here, the 12.8 betas in July/WHQL in August was the turning point with AMD's 79 series performance.

It was still inferior at 1080p. Benchmark thread confirms. I mean not huge margins here but as a point of fact...

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 11:15

Rusty0611 said:
Spelling mistake 'looser'

I try my hardest rusty, but it was late mate.

Rusty0611 said:
It was still inferior at 1080p. Benchmark thread confirms. I mean not huge margins here but as a point of fact...

Are we talking BF3 specific or in general?

The gap was closed back on the GHz launch in general back in June/July, not just with the 12.11's which most forget, my original point.

In the BM thread, Matt's results are on the 12.9's from August, I can't compare as gregs results are gone, but going from memory, there was nothing in it back then.