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eracer2006 said:
no however altering game code or making programs that alter the game code is.
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So how come so many mods for PC games exist? Mods change the code of a game in very similar ways to how cheats do, and I somehow doubt every single mod maker pays Valve and the likes anything
 
eracer2006 said:
no however altering game code or making programs that alter the game code is.
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Looking at EULAs sends us back to Doom. Back in 1993 Id Software had not provided a user
license with Doom and therefore could not govern the distribution of early mods. Only later, Id’s
business manager posted an agreement for prospective Doom modders. This statement included
a request that the mods should work only with the registered version of Doom. (Kushner 2003,
168-169) Reading through the EULA of almost any contemporary game reveals that this humble
wish has in ten years time changed into a standard requirement in game industry. For example
Quake III Arena user license includes the following lines
ID grants to you the non-exclusive and limited right to create for the Software
(except any Software code) your own modifications (the “New Creations”) which
shall operate only with the Software (but not any demo, test or other version of
the Software).
Other interesting part of the Q3 EULA is defining the appropriate circulation of “new creations”.
You shall not rent, sell, lease, lend, offer on a pay-per-play basis or otherwise
commercially exploit or commercially distribute the New Creations. You are only
permitted to distribute, without any cost or charge, the New Creations to other
end-users so long as such distribution is not infringing against any third party right
and is not otherwise illegal or unlawful
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Weebull said:
The EULA basically exists as a company's terms of service. As in, they will permit you to use a product as long as you follow their rules. That doesn't mean it has any legal standing though. Being drunk isn't against the law, but that doesn't mean a bartender will serve you if you are.
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Being against the EULA does not make something illegal, and does not affect anybodies legal rights.

If you can find me somewhere, outside of an EULA, that says you have to pay royalties on a game you modify, I'll take your point.
 
oh yeah wasnt trying to say that it was deffo illegal, i was just trying to say its against the user agreement, my bad

but mrgubby makes a good point
 
The thing that gets me most about this is that people are actually willing to pay for cheat apps. Just when you think people can't get any sadder :confused:
 
Its mental how advanced cheats are for games these days, anyone remember when an aimbot used to just aim for certain colours in the player model and cound be defeated by using a spray which contained those colours and attracted the aimbot towards it. :eek:
 
eracer2006 said:
what do you think End User License Agreement actually means ?
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As it's name implies, little more than a personal agreement between two parties. Breaking an agreement isn't illegal, neither is breaking the EULA (assuming you're not breaking any actual laws by doing so), and the company whose EULA is broken will probably have a very hard time taking you to a civil court over it (depending entirely upon what you've done).

What's the point in having one? Well in the case of online games especially, it gives the likes of Valve/Blizzard the power to say "well, you broke our EULA, we have the right to deny you our service now", and there's nothing you can really do about it. It defines the role of the relationship between the customer and the supplier, and it has its place, but that doesn't make its word law.

It's about as far from an actual contract as me posting "Give me twenty pounds" and you posting "Ok".
 
Reminds me a little of what happened in Quakeworld around 5 years ago or so. Basically around the turn of the century, the source code for QW was released. This meant that it was much easier for people to create cheats.

Now, what some clever people did were to add a trojan to some of these cheats (aimbot, wallhack, radar etc) which would report into to a central database. This logged player nick, IP address, local hostname (useful for finding certain players ;) ), server played on etc etc. Then after around 18months or so of data had been harvested it was released to the public, I've still got the download which has a frontend for viewing the database etc.

Top stuff :)
 
theDave said:
surely thats entrapment?
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The great thing about community justice is you can't get off on technicalities.

It's not as if this database was used to phone up police departments around the world and say "omg h4x, arrest them NOW!!!11" :)
 
All the games you have mentioned have gradually gone down hill as i am either getting owned by the most 733t players ever with 1 headshot whilst running round corners from 100metres away players or they are cheating gits.

BF2 was largley left alone save for a few people with personal hacks, one guy i played against in a clan i was in once sniped 3 of his own clan members from over 200 metres so quickly it sounded like machine gun fire. one review of battlerecorder and one lifetime clan ban.

Now bf2142 is out and i am getting a little sick of people with name hacks aimbots and seemingly unending health points. Why play the game like this it requires little or no skill, you may aswell try and play single player against bots set to easy.

bloody clowns.

i dont recognize any names though which is a shame.
 
I loved FEAR combat online but the hacks recently (about a month back) are soooo lame :mad: every1 in the server dies through unarmed attack at the same time, after a week of my games getting ruined I have not played again since :(

ps are there any good hack free games out there (or am I just being naive). :rolleyes:
 
deadkomodo said:
ps are there any good hack free games out there (or am I just being naive). :rolleyes:
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Day of defeat source. smaller, friendlier community than CSS, and my clanserver regularly has at least one admin on it. cheaters don't last long ;)
 
I went to the Netcoders.be site, and I have to say I'm shocked.
I saw a thread there "Show your aimbot stats" ... and guys talking about being proud of their "achievements"
WTF is all I can say, what kind of achievement is cheating?
Why would someone ruin a game like this?

There was a period not long ago, that UT04 was completely infested a specific botter. Maybe it was just my bad luck, but in every pub I went into, I ran into the same loser. I usually go into a pub, before I join the good servers to warm up.
I really don't understand why you would use the speed hacks and aimbots...completely above my comprehension
 
deadkomodo said:
I loved FEAR combat online but the hacks recently (about a month back) are soooo lame :mad: every1 in the server dies through unarmed attack at the same time, after a week of my games getting ruined I have not played again since :(

ps are there any good hack free games out there (or am I just being naive). :rolleyes:
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doesnt exist and never will.

try playing online on a gaming console or LAN for no cheaters :)
 
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