Happy in my role but angling for a promotion, been approached by a recruiter...

Why so? If another company has head-hunted and deems them fit for a more senior role elsewhere, yet you're blind to it... who's fault is that? Or even head-hunted for the same role elsewhere on a lot more money, then they would realise they were under-valued at your company. Again, you're being overly simplistic.

Who's fault is it? It's mine, as their manager, it's part of the responsibility of the job.

Again, you're being overly simplistic. It's entirely possible there's people in your team that think they have demonstrated what's required for a promotion yet they're not getting it. What else do they have to do? It sounds very much like it's your way or the highway..

If they have a difference of opinion, they can discuss it with me. Yes there are people that think they deserve promotion, but haven't got it. I've explained to them what they need to do in order to satisfy me they are ready for it. If they do that, they'll get what they're after.

Call it oversimplification if you like, I call it just good management. If employees be clear and honest with me about where they want to go in their career, I'll do everything in my power to help them get there. Including tearing down HR process BS on their behalf that may be getting in the way.
 
Who's fault is it? It's mine, as their manager, it's part of the responsibility of the job.
And that's exactly where it falls over for a lot of people, in a lot of workplaces. That's why I'm saying you're over-simplifying it.

Aaaaanyway...
Well, let's bring it back to my situation. Firstly, I'm not actively job searching. I keep an eye on roles as my industry is expanding massively locally (as all good employees should). Instead a recruiter reached out to me regarding the role. So that attitude of "job hunting" isn't there and lands a much softer blow if that's what I tell my boss.

Secondly, I'm not going to get the role so there's no ultimatum. I want to demonstrate to my boss that I'm employable elsewhere (something a lot of bosses forget), and that I would consider looking if my career doesn't progress the way I want in my current workplace.
 
Anyway, reason I came into this thread was to update you. I had the interview but the role doesn't sound quite right. It was more of a chat (no HR present), because I'd met the interviewer before, he remembered/knew of me so it was quite informal as it turns out. Keeping it simple, the role was more "line managery" than I had thought (I've never had any direct reports let alone the number they were saying the role came with) so I'm not expecting it to go anywhere. So, with regards to all the talk above - I still believe I should speak to my boss and tell him I was approached for another role. Explain honestly how it didn't turn out to be the right fit for me, and explain how it's been making me think about my progression and blah blah blah.. Thoughts? :)

Don't do it, there is no good reason that I can see for mentioning that you've already been for an interview and then didn't take the job... it is irrelevant.

Talk about you and what you want to do in that company, what your goals are etc.. if you believe you can handle a promotion now then lay out clear reasons why etc.. if you're rejected then ask why/ask what you can do to progress - get clear targets set and go achieve them.

If you're getting fobbed off after having done that then you look at taking another role and that is where you might be willing to accept a counter offer. Make sure you get an actual offer or are very confident the role is yours and you can move if needed as you'll be liable to be treated like a complete chump if you both mention the offer/indicate you're trying to move and don't get what you want and also don't move.

Some managers might not have been able to offer the promotion/pay rise when you asked previously but if you've got a solid offer and asked or you handed in your notice then they end up going back to HR/their boss etc.. and the pay rise/promotion is more forthcoming.

Some might get emotive over it, see it as "disloyal" and then react vindictively to it... look at the different opinions you've had already. This isn't necessarily the end of the world, it is why it is important to network/be seen as a good person/go to guy by other departments too - a counter offer doesn't necessarily need to come in the form of a pay rise within your own team but can be made higher up and be a move to another team. This is however a strong reason not to just casually throw out comments about attending interviews if you've not actually got an offer/aren't otherwise going to move.

It's not petty. If someone is on my team and has demonstrated what is required for a promotion, they'll get it, without asking.

That seems dubious, unless you're talking about some minor job title change/pay rise and a pat on the back... like a "junior" developer getting "junior" removed from their job title or a developer getting "senior" added to it. Or perhaps if your team can act as a bit of a feeder team for others - like say QA guys who've done some ad hoc dev work going into proper dev teams or support guys working on maintenance stuff going into billable consulting roles on client sites etc... and those moves are viewed as promotions. (still some conflicting priorities there in that managers of such teams generally don't want their best people disappearing too quickly and do want to get some return of service from them)

In plenty of cases that isn't the position a manager can take - there are only so many team leader or manager positions available and in any one team there might well be team members who would be just as good at that role as the current team lead/manager, perhaps even provide coverage when he's on holiday and who the relevant MD level person has in mind as an immediate replacement in case the manager quits*.

If someone is already at the top of the available pay grades within a team and the next step is a real promotion and there are more than one of them but no slots available then you're stuck, you can't manage that so easily beyond keeping them happy with pay rises/reviews etc.. ad hoc projects where they'll take the lead etc..

*That is the sort of case whereby the good employee who the MD had in mind might even get a job made up for him or take part of a team etc.. things get changed that the company wouldn't otherwise want changed in order to retain the employee should he quit.
 
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Surely, you could say you've been approached and this has made you think seriously about your future career; explain you're happy with the organisation and team but would like to discuss progression?

Focus the conversation on why you're happy and why you feel you're ready for promotion and see what they have to say. I doubt many managers would be surprised to hear that an employee approached by a head Hunter has been thinking about where their aspirations lie, regardless of how tempted or otherwise they might be by the potential offer. Indeed, I suspect most managers would be more surprised if their employees DIDNT consider their future at such a moment.

One could argue that taking your manager at face value and using the approach as a means to discussing your future at the organisation in the way described above shows a commitment and desire to remain at the organisation. After all, with such a pay rise at stake if you did not have a desire to stay, all your energies would be going into attempting to get that role rather than progressing your career with your current employer.
 
Don't do it, there is no good reason that I can see for mentioning that you've already been for an interview and then didn't take the job... it is irrelevant.
Well, in my opinion there is a good reason. And that's reminding my boss that he shouldn't take me for granted; that I'm employable elsewhere. For a bit of useful context I don't work within a team, my boss and I have have the same title with him a couple of levels of seniority above me. The whole department we work for is based in the US (including him) so I am somewhat of a silo to myself in managing the work we have going on in the UK. Typical US/International setup; 20 people in the US managing 'domestic' and little ol' me managing 'international'. ;) That's overstating it somewhat but I am kinda on my own.

Surely, you could say you've been approached and this has made you think seriously about your future career; explain you're happy with the organisation and team but would like to discuss progression?
This is my thinking. And come October I would have been here 5 years so it's a good sort-of anniversary to be thinking about this stuff. And also a good period of time to have been in my current role and look for that promotion/progression.

It is interesting how different opinions people have.. perhaps it's different industries etc.
 
Without an offer, I wouldn’t even mention the interview.

It may antagonise your manager and make him/her doubt your commitment. Don’t forget, he may think you’re lying if you say you were approached for a role and assume you’ve been throwing your CV around left right and centre.

I’d ask for a call with the manager and discuss progression. Start with the facts; you’re happy here and your role is great but you’d like to explore opportunities to push yourself with a view to promotion.
 
This is my thinking. And come October I would have been here 5 years so it's a good sort-of anniversary to be thinking about this stuff. And also a good period of time to have been in my current role and look for that promotion/progression.

It is interesting how different opinions people have.. perhaps it's different industries etc.

Perhaps then, you're best not mentioning the approach and use your work aniversary as a means to introduce the progression conversation. Your manager will know how much they value you and you probably won't change their mind much by mentioning the approach. In my opinion the only value it had was as a way of introducing the conversation, something the anniversary would probably for you just as well.
Without an offer, I wouldn’t even mention the interview.

It may antagonise your manager and make him/her doubt your commitment. Don’t forget, he may think you’re lying if you say you were approached for a role and assume you’ve been throwing your CV around left right and centre.

I’d ask for a call with the manager and discuss progression. Start with the facts; you’re happy here and your role is great but you’d like to explore opportunities to push yourself with a view to promotion.

There's the risk. Only you know how much you believe your manager to be genuine when he asked you to be open with him.
 
Well, in my opinion there is a good reason. And that's reminding my boss that he shouldn't take me for granted; that I'm employable elsewhere.

Are you though? Get an offer or get in the position where you could have an offer right away for a job you actually want or it is a weak position to be in/complete bluff which leaves you in a very bad position if you're still not getting what you want.

What have you actually done to try and get the promotion without mentioning moving elsewhere? Have you had a sit down meeting with him where you've asked for it and/or given constructive reasons as to why you're ready for it and should get it?

If so what did he say in reply? If you were fobbed off then the next step if you're planning to stick around is not to necessarily run off for a counter offer but to get clear goals/find out what you need to do in his eyes to get the promotion - has he then set achievable tasks or has he kept it vague and told you to wait for next year... don't accept being fobbed off, get a clear answer for them re: what you need to do, what your prospects are for it etc..

There is absolutely nothing to gain from throwing in some weak passive aggressive threat (and that is what it is) re: interviewing elsewhere. Find out where you stand and what you need to do first, they're not stupid, they're going to realise that a proactive employee with ambition won't hang around if fobbed off but you need to actually try for the promotion.

If that fails then get an actual offer... any chump can get an interview, get an offer in hand and be prepared to move on to another company too. If it gets to the point where you need to throw in an actual offer/be prepared to move then in many cases it might well be better to actually move! The exceptions are perhaps where it is out of your managers hands or there isn't necessarily a vacancy available but you throwing in your notice and giving the reasons why gives your manager leverage to push for something for you or causes someone higher up to take notice and not want to lose a good employee. This all works much better if you've been open and working with your manager in the first place and not throwing in little hints or threats about moving if you don't get your way.


FWIW it is a good idea to be interviewing elsewhere semi regularly regardless... even if you're really happy where you are at the moment just attend interviews at least once a year. If you don't like the roles then you've got some free info on current market rates you could get/an indication of how employable you are, some interview practice and hopefully some feedback/stuff you could work on etc... Of course there is always the potential for a surprise offer that is a significant enough raise for you to change from not looking to having a nice problem to consider.
 
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Have to say in most very large companies there’s very little ‘we’d like to offer you....’ promotions. Everything goes up on the jobs board and applications are invited. Sure managers can still pursue their preference if they apply but in my 13 years here I’ve never known or seen anyone get a promotion with a hand in their shoulder.
 
1. Demonstrate you are the best person for the role that you want. Don't even ask for it, just be the first person on the list when a vacancy comes up.
2. * Make sure you aren't irreplaceable in the role you will be vacating (this can be tricky, admittedly)
3. Every year with your performance review, make your career goals and timeline clear, get it written down on your file, what position you aiming for, and when. Have concrete, measurable goals to satisfy to earn the promotion.
4. Obvious, but get as good a review as you can. Don't be afraid to push back to get higher scores on file, it will pay off down the line.
5. If none of this works, then you start to put your foot down and directly ask for the promotion, you have your good reviews and demonstrated goals delivered. HR are backed in a corner at this point, as you made sure you got all this stuff on file.
6. If this fails, then there's a failure in your company. Now is when you start the process of looking elsewhere. At this point though, personally, I'd be looking elsewhere in order to actually move elsewhere, to get away from a dysfunctional organisation.
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Probably makes sense, but also probably doesn't align with a seniority increase/promotion every 1-2 years. You have to be a little more aggressive and of course make the right connections. It depends what you're satisfied with.
 
Do not mention to your boss - always a no-no

Keep your head down, work hard, actively seek jobs, then hand in notice. Managers fault (or companies fault) - the time and cost of the hiring process, training, learning the company, knowledge lost, work that you "would" have completed etc will greatly (and i mean greatly) outweigh what it would have cost to pay you fairly.

A manager will do whatever the can to avoid pay rises - breadcrumbing with "new challenges", verbal targets, unacheivable targets, fake positions being available in months, "wait till end of year", "wait till new financial year", fake over excessive praise etc

Ultimately the manager will suffer as targets arent meet, staff turnover higher, impact on budget etc. You will leave, get more money, better job, better respect. The other party will lose. Unfortunately the other parties usually arent intelligent enough to realise this and will carry on, obliviously failing, with a team that will never reach its potential
 
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