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danjah

danjah

danjah

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Dear Overclockers, underclockers and hardware guru's.

Here is a brief insite into my computer hardware spec,
mobo: GA-EP35-DS4 (no prizes for guessing manufacturer ~ sorry)
cpu: Intel core 2 Quad Q6600 G0
mem: 4x 1GB OCZ Reaper 1150Mhz

Recently while playing eve-online the eve client would crash to desktop randomly with no error in the eve-logs to suggest it was caused by the client. So i figured it was an issue with windows and so done a re-install. When win7 booted for first time I got a blue screen (didn't log the code) figured it was a hardware fault. So i ran some tests...

Loading the computer up with 'ultimate boot CD v4.1.1 I loaded and ran Memtest86+ v1.70 on each ram stick to 100% pass, all four sticks passed and reported no errors.

I then ran the same memtest with all four sticks of ram and was instantly presented with a huge list of errors from test one onwards.

However when I changed the memory multiplier from 4.00~ to 2.00 I recieved no errors when running the same memtest.

Since changing from the 1066 bootstrapping aka 4.00~ to 800 bootstrapping 2.00 the memory frequency is 667/533 which is low as far as i am aware considering my ram is able to work in excess of 1066 infact it is rated to 1150.

right now a windows pc on stable hardware is needed and if that means running at the lower speeds so be it. however i would like to get this system stable again and running a FSB of at least 1066.

I am confused as to what is actually happening here and would appreciate any help getting this old work horse back up to speed.


Regards
 
I'm a Pasty-muncher too, being cornish n' all =)


This isn't a new build, had ran perfectly for the past 4 years or so that i've had this machine. All voltages are set to auto as I have no-idea what i'm doing when it comes to toying around with that sort of thing.

Could you mention the recomended voltages for NB, FSB, CPU, etc.

Power supply is a Hiper 880W.

and thank you for your reply
 
I am a Cornishman as well, hence the pastymuncher tag. Originally from Penzance and then Newlyn.

In that case something may be starting to fail. Timings for your ram are 5-5-5-18 at a voltage of 2.1-2.3v. Usually ends up being the highest if running at full speed. NB should just be a notch or two above normal so if on auto the first notch up would be stock voltage and you would then need to increase by another notch or two. Try it one notch at a time and see if it's stable.
 
When I looked in the BIOS i see no mention of north bridge voltages.. instead i'm given only these options to tweek.

DDR2
PCI-E
FSB
(G)MCH
Loadline calibration
CPU
-CPU VCORE

The RAM timings are set 5-5-5-15 the rest i leave alone as I can't find the info anywhere as to what these settings should be.
 
okay, so...

switched timings to 5-5-5-18 and changed the (G)MCH from default to +0.200v
I then changed the multiplier back to 4.00~ and got a blue screen on windows boot up, so reset it back down to 2.00.
I hope this makes some sense to you.
 
My bios only allows me to add incriments to a standard voltage on the ddr2 voltage settings with no explanation to what it's default voltage is... gigabyte mobo's are a nightmare imo.

managed to get my memory multiplier to 3.00 and boot into windows, still can't get it to 4.00~ when i try; i get bsod and instant-reboot.

667/800
 
Well...

Ram volt = +0.3v
Ram X = 4.00~ 667/1066
(G)MCH = +0.200v

Windows loaded up first time round with this error...
The system process 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe' terminated unexpectedly with status code -1073741819. The system will now shut down and restart.

Restart never happened so i manually done it with the power switch.

No drivers loaded currently on this xpx64 install and nothing to stress the setup with as yet.

Are either of you willing and able to get the ram to 1150mhz???

Thank you both for getting me this far.


EDIT :: just ran memtest v1.70 again breifly and still get errors from the start of the tests.
 
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Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Codename Kentsfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.F.B
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 2400.0 MHz
Multiplier x FSB 9.0 x 266.7 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1066.7 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T, VT-x
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 9.0x
Max VID 1.325 V

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chipsets

Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency 533.3 MHz (1:2)
CAS# latency (CL) 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 7
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 7
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 56
Command Rate (CR) 2T
MCHBAR I/O Base address 0x0FED14000
MCHBAR I/O Size 4096

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Memory

DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number OCZ2RPR11501G
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP yes (1 profiles)
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-19 @ 333 MHz
EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
EPP profile #1 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-32-2T @ 571 MHz (2.100 Volts)

DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x51
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number OCZ2RPR11501G
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP yes (1 profiles)
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-19 @ 333 MHz
EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
EPP profile #1 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-32-2T @ 571 MHz (2.100 Volts)

DIMM # 3
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number OCZ2RPR11501G
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP yes (1 profiles)
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-19 @ 333 MHz
EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
EPP profile #1 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-32-2T @ 571 MHz (2.100 Volts)

DIMM # 4
SMBus address 0x53
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number OCZ2RPR11501G
Serial number FFFFFFFF
Manufacturing date Week 165/Year 165
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP yes (1 profiles)
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-13-15 @ 270 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-19 @ 333 MHz
EPP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
EPP profile #1 (full) 5.0-5-5-15-32-2T @ 571 MHz (2.100 Volts)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardware Mon

Hardware monitor ITE IT87
Voltage 0 1.28 Volts [0x50] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 1 2.14 Volts [0x86] (DDR)
Voltage 2 3.30 Volts [0xCE] (+3.3V)
Voltage 3 5.03 Volts [0xBB] (+5V)
Voltage 7 11.78 Volts [0xB8] (+12V)
Voltage 8 3.28 Volts [0xCD] (VBAT)
Temperature 0 42°C (107°F) [0x2A] (System)
Temperature 1 31°C (87°F) [0x1F] (CPU)
Fan 0 1358 RPM [0x1F1] (FANIN0)
 
computer has become completely unusable since applying the above settings and am no longer able to complete an xpx64 install.
rolled the bios back to defaut F1
run out of ideas.. could it be bios battery, motherboard or ram that has given up the ghost.

regards daniel.
 
Still no good then. Just so i got this right in my head. All four sticks pass memtest when inserted individually but when you put them all in you get errors. Does memtest say which banks you are getting errors on? Maybe a couple of the sticks or even memory slots on the motherboard are faulty. Go to the bios and load optimal settings and see if that has any effect.
 
i have since managed to install xpx64. In bios i turned everything off that is onboard.
through-out this period of things going wrong i have seen many 0x0* errors pointing to HDD, MEM, GFX, Worms... you name it, i've probably seen that error code today. yet here i am on that computer, currently running two ram sticks picked at random @1066mhz.

currently in eve-online with all graphics options set to low (safemode) taking down my domination tower and getting ready to suspend accounts as I think this issue is not going to go away easily.

I have an inclination that the usb wireless dongle (zyxel) could be an issue, i have a spare belkin and will give that a go. i'll also try replacing the cmos battery too.
I fear that the 4870 gfx card is fooked and also as you say the ram slots themselfs maybe to blame because each ram stick worked in the first slot during memtests.

I'd like to thank you for your help and welcome any further suggestions you have.
 
I had a look up of the lsass error you posted and it is to do with ipsec policies (internet protocol security) so it may be something to do with the dongle although i can't see why that would cause memtest errors. Could really do with some of the more technical guys in here to help.
 
update:

it would seem that the two red ram slots are causing the problems as windows does not load with ram in them. It's definatly not the ram as i have swicthed them about and done all sorts of tests as outlined above.

So it would seem the board is faulty "being pretty much the only item without lifetime warranty" and so a new board would need to be fitted.
for now though 2gb of ram will just have to do... unless you know a way to fix it.

would like to thank you for being here to bounce ideas off with, you've been a great help. will have to get you a pasty and an ale next time you're down this way.

regards daniel.
 
Sorry to hear that. There is no way that a user could fix a memory slot. How old is the board? Gigabyte has a three year warranty if that's any help. You could sell the 4x 1GB sticks and get 2x 2GB sticks to use in the two good slots although it's not something i would do with 775 being at the end of it's life now. Another option would be a second hand P45 board such as the Asus P5Q Pro range.

If the board is out of warranty there is another thing you could do. Sell the Q6600 (around £80) and 4x 1GB sticks (£35-40) and put the money towards a new CPU/mobo/ram. For around £220-250 you could get a very good rig based around a Phenom ll 955 or even a 1055T with a good AM3 board and 4Gb of ram.
 
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