Has anyone become Irish? (Or other EU Nationality)

[Freefaller]

I don't mean to have a dig, I kinda get what your saying that you should have pride in your nationality?

If so that's commendable.

But I look at a while ton on people with British passports that I guarantee don't give a **** about that.

I'm a multinational but I have no patriotism or national pride to any of my nationalities. Cultural pride, yes, pride in diversity, yes, but I'm not nationalistic in any way. I love elements of my nationalities (I.e. cherry pick the bits I like ). Would I stand up for their national anthems (out of respect sure) or fight for them in a war? No. That's one of the beauties of an open union you can be part of it regardless of where you were born.

 

[Jean-F]

I don't mean to have a dig, I kinda get what your saying that you should have pride in your nationality?

If so that's commendable.

But I look at a while ton on people with British passports that I guarantee don't give a **** about that.

You can include me in that “whole ton” of people with British passports who are not patriotic.
I’m glad that I live here, I like the majority of the people here, but I get no burst of pride when I see a Union Jack.
I applied for French citizenship through my great-great grandmother but citizenship rights only go back one generation.
I used to fly the tricoleur on my Black Cab during the Euros, much to the chagrin of my fellow drivers.
I feel an affinity to France, and my eyes moisten when the band strikes up La Marseillaise at a military parade on Bastille Day.
I can sing the first three stanzas of La Marseillaise and have done so frequently at l’Arc de Triomphe on Quatorze Juillet.
Vive La France et Le Royaume Uni aussi!

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Well I don’t agree with it… his choice though.

Why wouldn't someone who could gain all the benefits of a EU passport claim one? Its a win, there is no downside. Millions of us were robbed of EU benefits for nothing in return. If I had the option to do this I would have already done it. Good luck to OP.

 

[GGizmo]

I'm proud to be English/British.

But I have noticed looking around at other governments and how they explain things to their people. There doesn't seem to be the same ingrained distant government mind set that we have here. Other government sites help their citizens. They go the extra yard in explaining things. While the UK sites are written in cold authoritative language.

For example, do we really think the US would have left Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe in Iran for this long? The answer is no. It's the same for any British person. If you get stuck abroad the consulate will do the least amount they can for you. In essense you're on your own.

 

[Lopéz]

No, I have Austrian residency - but citizenship here would be an altogether different matter.

 

[BUDFORCE]

I pretty sure I can get my son an Irish passport as his grandmother (my mother) is Irish born.

 

[Freefaller]

You can include me in that “whole ton” of people with British passports who are not patriotic.
I’m glad that I live here, I like the majority of the people here, but I get no burst of pride when I see a Union Jack.
I applied for French citizenship through my great-great grandmother but citizenship rights only go back one generation.
I used to fly the tricoleur on my Black Cab during the Euros, much to the chagrin of my fellow drivers.
I feel an affinity to France, and my eyes moisten when the band strikes up La Marseillaise at a military parade on Bastille Day.
I can sing the first three stanzas of La Marseillaise and have done so frequently at l’Arc de Triomphe on Quatorze Juillet.
Vive La France et Le Royaume Uni aussi!

Bienvenue à la République !

You probably know more about France than a lot of the French!

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Why wouldn't someone who could gain all the benefits of a EU passport claim one? Its a win, there is no downside. Millions of us were robbed of EU benefits for nothing in return. If I had the option to do this I would have already done it. Good luck to OP.

Nationality should be something to be proud of.

The OP read like he just wanted the juicy EU benefits and wasn’t actually that interested in the nationality itself.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Nationality should be something to be proud of.

The OP read like he just wanted the juicy EU benefits and wasn’t actually that interested in the nationality itself.

I was proud to be a European. It came with amazing benefits, benefits now lost. If there is a chance to get them back I say take it.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I pretty sure I can get my son an Irish passport as his grandmother (my mother) is Irish born.

Do it. It will open so many more possibilities for him in the future.

 

[Freefaller]

Nationality should be something to be proud of.

The OP read like he just wanted the juicy EU benefits and wasn’t actually that interested in the nationality itself.

Why do you need to be proud of your nationality? What difference does it make to your every day life? Nationalism isn't always a worthwhile trait.

 

[D.P.]

Nationality should be something to be proud of.

The OP read like he just wanted the juicy EU benefits and wasn’t actually that interested in the nationality itself.

Why should you be proud of something that you had nothing to do with? Be proud of your achievements, not where you happened to be born or what paper work you sign o give you a document that has the word nationality on it.

Any where do you draw your political boundaries? I consider myself Scottish and European. An EU passport fits my self-identity.

 

[GGizmo]

Why should you be proud of something that you had nothing to do with? Be proud of your achievements, not where you happened to be born or what paper work you sign o give you a document that has the word nationality on it.

Any where do you draw your political boundaries? I consider myself Scottish and European. An EU passport fits my self-identity.

Because its not just about you. It's about where you're family come from. One, or more, of your relatives fought and died for you to be born here. It didn't just happen at random.

It's a globalist line to undermine the nation state by undermining your own history. If you're proud of your family then you should be proud of what they achieved and appreciate it, in my humble opinion.

 

[D.P.]

Because its not just about you. It's about where you're family come from. One, or more, of your relatives fought and died for you to be born here. It didn't just happen at random.

It's a globalist line to undermine the nation state by undermining your own history. If you're proud of your family then you should be proud of what they achieved and appreciate it, in my humble opinion.

My family came from all over Europe, and they all worked hard for a united europe

 

[Freefaller]

Because its not just about you. It's about where you're family come from. One, or more, of your relatives fought and died for you to be born here. It didn't just happen at random.

It's a globalist line to undermine the nation state by undermining your own history. If you're proud of your family then you should be proud of what they achieved and appreciate it, in my humble opinion.

In all honesty I really don't care about the history of it whether my family died or fought. Times and attitudes change. Whilst history is good for learning it's irrelevant to your life now. One may have different values to our ancestors. People change nationalities all the time. I've kept more than one for convenience not because of any pride. I am proud of my multiple nationalities and the breadth of where my family is spread, but that's because of the cultural and diversity of it rather than the political reasons.

That's all nationality is, political belief system.

 

[EdwardTeach]

Nationality should be something to be proud of.

The OP read like he just wanted the juicy EU benefits and wasn’t actually that interested in the nationality itself.

Why should anyone be "proud" of their nationality? That is absurd.
I am proud of things that myself and my family I have achieved, but being proud of being born somewhere is bizzare.

 

[GGizmo]

My family came from all over Europe, and they all worked hard for a united europe

In my anecdotal opinion its mostly the English people who aren't proud of their country. Most other people are proud.

Share of people in select European countries who are "very proud" of their national identity in 2017
https://www.statista.com/statistics...oud-of-their-national-identity-by-eu-country/

We're third from bottom. Only Belgium, which isn't really a country formed in the regular way, and Germany are below us.

Did you vote in the 1975 referendum for a united europe?

In all honesty I really don't care about the history of it whether my family died or fought. Times and attitudes change. Whilst history is good for learning it's irrelevant to your life now. One may have different values to our ancestors. People change nationalities all the time. I've kept more than one for convenience not because of any pride. I am proud of my multiple nationalities and the breadth of where my family is spread, but that's because of the cultural and diversity of it rather than the political reasons.

That's all nationality is, political belief system.

I can understand your position and outlook, and I can see where you're coming from. But it has some contradictions. Not being proud of being British, and not caring about history other than for learning. But on the flip side you're proud of your multiple nationalities? Why are you proud of them?

I'm wonder if our definitions of nationality are different. When I say nationality I'm talking about the people and the culture, which it sounds similar to what you're saying with cultural and diversity. When I went to the US I felt more culturally English/British as American culture is different than ours.

When I think of Scottish, Irish or Welsh people's I don't think of their political system as being part of their identity. I look at the people and their history.

 

[Freefaller]

I'm only 1/4 British so I probably don't "get" that nationalism. However I'm quite happy to be part British. I'm proud of being mixed from the perspective I highlighted, cultural diversity, and picking and choosing the best bits from the various nations. I get that people like to have a sense of identity, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm quite happy to have multiple identities without any priority over any of the others.

Now if we associate nationality with only culture then yes I'm happy to have some association with that. But nationality is often a more visceral thing for many people, "queen and country" and dying for the cause and all that sort of stuff. Some nationalistic behaviours bring on xenophobia or "we're better than you" which are find unnecessarily tribal and neanderthal like.

So we're probably agreeing on slightly different planes.

 

[Mr Badger]

In my anecdotal opinion its mostly the English people who aren't proud of their country. Most other people are proud.

Share of people in select European countries who are "very proud" of their national identity in 2017
https://www.statista.com/statistics...oud-of-their-national-identity-by-eu-country/

We're third from bottom. Only Belgium, which isn't really a country formed in the regular way, and Germany are below us.

Did you vote in the 1975 referendum for a united europe?



I can understand your position and outlook, and I can see where you're coming from. But it has some contradictions. Not being proud of being British, and not caring about history other than for learning. But on the flip side you're proud of your multiple nationalities? Why are you proud of them?

I'm wonder if our definitions of nationality are different. When I say nationality I'm talking about the people and the culture, which it sounds similar to what you're saying with cultural and diversity. When I went to the US I felt more culturally English/British as American culture is different than ours.

When I think of Scottish, Irish or Welsh people's I don't think of their political system as being part of their identity. I look at the people and their history.

It may well be that for a lot of people 2016 and the Brexit campaign/vote was a wake up call about the poisonous nature of nationalist populism. My own sense of national pride is driven far more by the current values and actions of my country than any historical conquests. And I can tell you that these days I feel less proud to be English than ever before.

 

[GGizmo]

It may well be that for a lot of people 2016 and the Brexit campaign/vote was a wake up call about the poisonous nature of nationalist populism. My own sense of national pride is driven far more by the current values and actions of my country than any historical conquests. And I can tell you that these days I feel less proud to be English than ever before.

I know this comment might be controversial. But I think you'll understand where it's coming from. It's a comment I heard many years ago. That the only thing Hitler did good in europe was get rid of the class system. UK is the only one with a class system (as far as I know), and we've still got a monarchy integrated in to our system. It's like we're stuck in a machine system that carries on no matter what we do. Different people have different levels of self awareness.

I think people wake up to reality when they visit other places and cultures. It's abit like Americans get a dose of reality when visiting here and need medication and are shocked they don't need to pay hundreds of dollars.