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almighty15 said:
And what happens when the process node gets even smaller and the problem arises again?
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And some people call me pessimistic.

What happens if when Broadwell-e comes along, the smaller die it'll have is soldered (Assuming it gets a compareable die size to 1150 Haswell etc) it's soldered? And don't give me an "It's impossible".

Until/If we get to a point Intel can no longer use solder at all, then we'll know if they're telling the whole truth as far as I'm concerned.

:p

How come sandy bridge dual cores were solder (Their die size is smaller than an i7 4770k etc)
 
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Martini1991 said:
And some people call me pessimistic.

What happens if when Broadwell-e comes along, the smaller die it'll have is soldered (Assuming it gets a compareable die size to 1150 Haswell etc) it's soldered? And don't give me an "It's impossible".

Until/If we get to a point Intel can no longer use solder at all, then we'll know if they're telling the whole truth as far as I'm concerned.

:p
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Intel have already stated you can't use solder on things that small.... That's why they're looking into a high performance replacement or a more durable solder.

But the solder they use today, here and now does not work.

The interesting thing is how will AMD handle the issue? People have already blamed this TIM issue on them avoiding a lower process node.
 
almighty15 said:
Yes it is..... People **** them off for using TIM without actually knowing WHY they're using TIM...
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Stops you getting good overclocks, that's why it worse playing the Haswell Lottery.:(

Saves on production costs, bigger profit.:eek:

Some members have bought more than one to get a good one.:eek:

But not forgetting the Hades like temps as well when overclocking.:mad:
 
OLDPHART said:
Stops you getting good overclocks, that's why it worse playing the Haswell Lottery.:(

Saves on production costs, bigger profit.:eek:

Some members have bought more than one to get a good one.:eek:

But not forgetting the Hades like temps as well when overclocking.:mad:
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The TM is fine for its purpose... I.e... Stock speeds
 
OLDPHART said:
Stops you getting good overclocks, that's why it worse playing the Haswell Lottery.:(

Saves on production costs, bigger profit.:eek:

Some members have bought more than one to get a good one.:eek:

But not forgetting the Hades like temps as well when overclocking.:mad:
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Theyre even hotter than ib. My current 4770k @4.5ghz on 1.2700v will hit the 90's under stress testing. My previous 3770k also at 4.5ghz but a much higher voltage of 1.34 would max at 81c. The addition of a strip of vrm's on hw may have went someway to increasing temps despite both being 22nm chips.
 
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almighty15 said:
Ivy and Haswell are kicking out so much more heat in not that much bigger space.
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A IVY-E is SOLDERED and they are far cooler than a Hades sorry Haswell

My 4820k:4.6GHz in gaming runs at mid forties at 1.34v, if that's not cool l don't know what is.:cool:
 
almighty15 said:
Completely unrelated and redundant... New transistor design in Ivy
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Sorry but a minute ago it was all the die size.
I'm aware of the transistor design (Was waiting for that rebuttal tbh)

As far as I see it, I don't believe it can't be done, I just think it's done on purpose, but I guess we'll find it in years to come.
Neither of us knows 100%, so lets not pretend we know more than we do.
 
Regarding the heat issue, if you avoid any type of synthetic stress test such as ibt/linx/p95 etc. Theyre no hotter running than any previous intel cpu ive owned. For normal tasks the temps on both my hw and two ivy's were no worse than the previous two bloomfields i used.
 
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