Have i been too harsh

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On friday i kicked my 17yr old son out to teach him a lesson, he thinks hes an adult and wanted to be treated like an adult (which is what we tried to do) but by no means acts like an adult.
Just to give you and insight as to what brought this about here what prompted my actions.
Ok, now all we asked of him of him is that he does what hes told when hes told - simple as that, at the age of 17 he should be able to do that without any problems at all. He had chores do to, wash dishes twice a week, hoover house once a week, feed cats / clean cat litter tray once a week and clean bathroom once a week(all of which would take up a total of about 1hr 1/2 total a week of his time). The last rule we enforced was that the doors to living room were to be kept closed if no one was in there as the cats would get in and scratch the furniture.
Now he has a part time job so we understood that perhaps he wouldnt be able to do his chores on the days we set so we agreed he would do them the next day a soon as possible. So you can see we were being flexible. He how ever was not, he would rather play on his xbox for 3hrs befor going to work than doing the chore he didnt do the day before - he couldnt see that these chores were given to him because he should be doing them - he lives here, he eats here , he uses the bathroom so he should contribute to the chores. He wouldnt do his chores when he was supposed to so id get on at him and he would think he was being hard done by because i was getting at him as he hadnt washed the dishes for three days or cleaned the bathroom for the second week running.

Anyway the straw that broke the camels back was he just somehow couldnt bring himself to close the sitting room door for some reason know only to himself. If he did shut it at all he'd shut the cats in there but more often than not it would be left open when he went out, the lights would be left on, the tv would be left on - all these things are very simple to check before you go out wouldnt you agree. So getting back to the reason for kicking him out, he goes out on Friday and leaves the livingroom door open (two days earlier i had a go at him (again) for doing the same thing and him not doing his chores) i was obviously annoyed at this given the amount of times he'd been told to close them. Now earlier on in the week i had said it was ok for him to sleep out but given the current circumstances i sent him a txt (hes was at work) and told him that he was no longer allowed to stay out and expressed my displeasure at his lack of being able to do what he was told. I told him i wanted him home by 9.30. When 9.30 arrives youve guessed it he's a no show, i ring him and he doesnt answer his phone but instead just cuts me off, i text him asking why he hasnt come home this is the reply i got - " i am staying out. If you want me to behave like and adult then i am. Last time i checked adults arnt told curfews by their parents".............so my reply to that was "ok then if you think your an adult, if you think all there is to being an adult is staying out when you want and doing what you want when you want then get your things and get out"

I told him he can come home once he's learned his lesson. Ok he has a job but he only earns around £150 - £260 a month depending on the hours he works so he by no way has enough money to get by on. I dont know exactly where he has gone but im assuming its one of his mates (which all live at home with their parents) so i dont imagine he will be allowed to stay for too long.

Do you think ive been too harsh ?
 
I was never kicked out as a child, but i certainly resembled yours at stages.

I dont suppose it will do him any harm, being kicked out.. but then i dont suppose it will exactly teach him a lesson. Tbh, in my opinion, all you've done is given him a longer leash for him to do whatever he wants.

I dont know how to deal with kids, because i've never had any, and i'm not old enough to consider it (well i am, but i dont want to). I remember though that i responded to rewards more than punishments. I'm not particularly proud of this, but i matured late (if at all?). In the end it was my father who worked out that if he offered to take me out somewhere and spend time together, i'd be more inclined to do the chores first.
 
yep, ** being too harsh, i'm glad that you're not my father.

remember he's teenager so go easy on him. Kicked him out for those reasons is stupid. i wouldnt surprised that you've already damaged the father/son relationship.

phone him and ask him to come home then ask him what's wrong, what make him unhappy etc etc. try understand him
 
no, he needs to learn a valuable lesson

your house your rules

he sounds like he was deliberately disobeying you all the time
 
I'm of the mind that throwing out should be reserved for terrible behaviour and only as a last resort, not for a kid who's trying his luck and definitely not over something as petty as chores.

If he doesn't want to do his chores he should pay rent, if he doesn't want to do either then you should take the power brick away from his xbox and cut off his internet. He'll soon fold.
 
Not doing his chores when he should and forgetting to close the living room door's not really worth throwing him out for, I think you've been too harsh. That said, you say he can come back when he's learnt his lesson, so he presumably will come back, and he'll probably be better behaved when he does, so it's not like you've done any harm. It doesn't seem like he's going to be selling his body on the streets to survive instead of saying 'sorry dad' and skulking back to his room, which he'll probably do within about 36 hours :D
 
Yes, you've been too harsh. I entirely understand how frustrating it can be (three teenagers!), but I would prefer to impose other punishments.
 
Kids should be told to move out at 16 unless they are in full time education so you've done nothing wrong imo.

When my son get to 16 his rooms is being converted to house a model railway.
 
You absolutely did the right thing. I can't stand all these bleeding heart types who say, "You need to talk to him". Sod that, when he realises that the real world isn't home. he'll come to you.

If I'd have acted like your son I wouldn't have been 'spoken to'. I would have had the crap beaten out of me.
 
I don't think you've been too harsh - after all it's not like you've *actually* kicked him out. He's free to come back with an apology when he's realised the error of his ways.

I think just taking away his XBOX/Internet first would have avoided this problem though. It's what I was threatened with, and it worked against me. Folded straight away. :o
 
I can't stand all these bleeding heart types who say, "You need to talk to him".

He's not a criminal with a lengthy career of beating up and urinating on pensioners. He's the OP's son. He deserves fair warning and discussion before being kicked suddenly onto the street.
 
Heaven knows what would have happened to me if I'd done similar (as my mother always said, "you're never too big to get a clip 'round the ear'ole off your mum" - I'm 34 and got one last week :D), so I can't speak from personal experience.

However, parenting isn't as simple as a smack around the head and you can only do what you feel is right - if that includes throwing your boy out to teach him a lesson, then so be it. Just don't be the kind of father who throws his son out and then refuses to build bridges when the time is right. It may be a time to be harsh, but not bitter.
 
You may have acted a trifle hastily in my opinion. Perhaps you should have had an adult to adult discussion with him before booting him out.

If he'd came home at 9.30 that is exactly what would have taken place but what i hadnt already mentioned is that this is not the first time he as refused to come home after he's been asked. How do you punish a 17 yr old ? Ground him ? he has a job so has to go out. Take his xbox off him ? Done that already and it obviously doesnt work. Explain why he should be doing things and do what we ask ? Done that and obviously goes in one ear and out the other. Stop his pocket money ? He earns his own money. Everything we have tried has failed, the only thing that works with my son is when he learns by his own mistakes, he will not listen anyone but himself. If you tell him not to touch a hotplate he will touch it - it not until he has realised for himself that he takes notice. Pehaps thinking about i was perhaps abit quick to give him the kick but harsh i think not - he is going to learn the hard way i am afraid.

As for giving him a longer leash to do what he wants now , i dont think so. At home he had everything he wanted at his finger tips and didnt want for anything - now hes has to buy his own food, clothes do chores where ever he is staying and pay for his keep..........so where was he better off - at home of course but like ive already said he wont realise that until he has experienced it for himself. He is the one that thinks he is an adult and i have no doubt in my mind he will get by where ever he is but he will soon learn that being an adult is not what he thought.
 
If he'd came home at 9.30 that is exactly what would have taken place but what i hadnt already mentioned is that this is not the first time he as refused to come home after he's been asked. How do you punish a 17 yr old ? Ground him ? he has a job so has to go out. Take his xbox off him ? Done that already and it obviously doesnt work. Explain why he should be doing things and do what we ask ? Done that and obviously goes in one ear and out the other. Stop his pocket money ? He earns his own money. Everything we have tried has failed, the only thing that works with my son is when he learns by his own mistakes, he will not listen anyone but himself. If you tell him not to touch a hotplate he will touch it - it not until he has realised for himself that he takes notice. Pehaps thinking about i was perhaps abit quick to give him the kick but harsh i think not - he is going to learn the hard way i am afraid.

As for giving him a longer leash to do what he wants now , i dont think so. At home he had everything he wanted at his finger tips and didnt want for anything - now hes has to buy his own food, clothes do chores where ever he is staying and pay for his keep..........so where was he better off - at home of course but like ive already said he wont realise that until he has experienced it for himself. He is the one that thinks he is an adult and i have no doubt in my mind he will get by where ever he is but he will soon learn that being an adult is not what he thought.

In which case I think you did the right thing. A lot of people in here are just jumping on the bandwagon anyway - you're not "kicking" him out as such, as he's free to come back when he's ready to apologise.
 
Kids should be told to move out at 16 unless they are in full time education so you've done nothing wrong imo.

When my son get to 16 his rooms is being converted to house a model railway.

I guess you got your priority right, Model Railway > Your own son, and at 16, Jesus, go easy on the kid please, it's not easy at that age.


You absolutely did the right thing. I can't stand all these bleeding heart types who say, "You need to talk to him". Sod that, when he realises that the real world isn't home. he'll come to you.

Why does it always have to be one or the other, there's nothing wrong in sitting him down and calmly fully explaining the severity of not following the rules that you've set out, if then he still continues to be disobedient then you can punish him by more severe means like taking away his console etc, demanding a rent allowance, (he should be paying a little rent anyway really if he's not in education), then if he still continues to disobey the rules only then should you consider throwing him out.

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If he'd came home at 9.30 that is exactly what would have taken place but what i hadnt already mentioned is that this is not the first time he as refused to come home after he's been asked. How do you punish a 17 yr old ? Ground him ? he has a job so has to go out. Take his xbox off him ? Done that already and it obviously doesnt work. Explain why he should be doing things and do what we ask ? Done that and obviously goes in one ear and out the other. Stop his pocket money ? He earns his own money. Everything we have tried has failed, the only thing that works with my son is when he learns by his own mistakes, he will not listen anyone but himself. If you tell him not to touch a hotplate he will touch it - it not until he has realised for himself that he takes notice. Pehaps thinking about i was perhaps abit quick to give him the kick but harsh i think not - he is going to learn the hard way i am afraid..

Well from what you've said there you've been quite fair I'd say and justified in giving him a lesson in responsibility.
 
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He is the one that thinks he is an adult and i have no doubt in my mind he will get by where ever he is but he will soon learn that being an adult is not what he thought.

I'm not sticking up for him and I don't think you've done the wrong thing as such. Just seems like kicking him out by text is as unsatisfactory as dumping your partner by text. He sounds like an ungrateful teenager, but at least if you've explained to him the consequences to his face you can feel like you've given him fair warning. But of course it's not my son and I haven't known him for 17 years :)
 
man what the hell how do expect 17 year old come back at 9.30 pm!!! teenagers difficult time and if he does not do his helping around the house u have to talk to him 10 20 times if needed. i can see he will hate u after that my opinion.
 
I totally back you up on your decision teulk, anyone who disagrees is either a pussy or not even a parent.
Society has changed so much that teenagers especially, think they have a god given right to do what they want, where the want, how they want in a more brazen manner than they did 20 years ago.
Teulk did not kick him out cos he didn't wash the pots. There is a bigger issue here and it's called RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY!

Our twin 14 year old boys would get punished for every infringement of rules, and they were basically almost the same as Teulks for his 17 year old; wash the pots, have all your ablutions and breakfast etc done before me and their mum got up for work, truly just simple tasks that can actually aid in instilling some responsibility into kids.
Now i know i can be quite harsh, but coming from a military background i hate bad punctuality. We'd give them a time to come in, they'd abuse it and with NO real reason. One day we gave them our usual 'screen and music' ban (tv, consoles, pc, ipods etc) for a week for being 2 mins late. I tried to explain the potential importance of those 2 minutes; you could miss a bus/train by 2 mins and not make it to a job interview, or could be put on detention at school for missing registration.
As usual, they go sulky about it, so after a long chat with them we both agreed to treat them more like adults if they agreed to try and act a little more maturely. This was back in May, since then they haven't been put on a ban at all, but they'd certainly warranted it within 2 weeks of our chat.
Yes, talk to them, AND listen to them, but at the end of the day, they are STILL the children and you are STILL the parent, and they DO have to know there the line is.

Good for you Teulk, you kicked him out, but you left the door open for when he's ready to grow up a little more, can't see what's wrong with that.
 
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