HDMI over Ethernet (4K)

mattyg

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Hi guys..

I'm looking at moving my AV equipment to a central position...

Does anyone have experience with decent HDMI to Ethernet extenders. If poss I'd rather be able to get away with using 1 cable.. I have two to most places but I wanted to keep one for network.

I don't have a budget but dont want to spenf £1k if I can get away with half... Would be even better if it could go through my home network rather than direct.

Ideally scaleable too so I can add to 5-6 or 7 rooms

Home network is fully managed ubiquiti unifi stuff..With 2 AP's

Any thoughts

Cheers
 
If you were doing it to one room then it could be done fairly cheap, but as you want 5-7 rooms then unfortunately it’s going to be costly as each extender alone is going to set you back about £100 if you want a proper 4K hdr system etc.
 
Simmz said:
If you were doing it to one room then it could be done fairly cheap, but as you want 5-7 rooms then unfortunately it’s going to be costly as each extender alone is going to set you back about £100 if you want a proper 4K hdr system etc.
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It'll be each room as we go along so factoring another £100 into a room budget isn't to bad... Whats worse is almost finishing a renovation and the mrs wanting to swap rooms around dining room into TV lounge ....Thats gonna cost more....lol
 
I've not got 4K, but Neet extenders have worked very well for me (1080p). I'm using the double ethernet ones with IR. HDMI matrix over ethernet setups become more cost effective if you've got multiple rooms. I had the benefit of being able to run extra ethernet cables when I did our extension just in case. I think that single cables are good enough for 1080, but I'd imagine they'd struggle with 4K. What sort of distances are you running? Ethernet extenders have been much more straightforward than I thought to use, and considering the cost of long, good quality HDMI cables, they're actually not all that expensive.
 
Something like JustAddPower might be the solution... I've come across that before.

HDAnywhere is pricey but polished.
 
Some runs may be 20-30 feet. I don't really mind paying for the good stuff.. But I dont want to be paying Beckhams prices if I can avoid it...
 
(from earlier thread)the price is exhorbitant hdanywhere for 4k eg £1k for 4 screens
  • Max. Resolution UltraHD / 4K / 2160p to HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 standard for a maximum of 4K60 8bit 4: 2: 0 or HDR10 format with 4K24 10bit 4: 2.0
  • Maximum transmission distance 40m at 4K / UltraHD or 70m at FullHD / 1080p - including PoE (bi-directional)
  • Supports all audio formats including Dolby Atmos and DTS: X
  • HDBaseT Lite functions up to 40m at 4K or 70m at 2K: transmission of uncompressed A / V signals as well as USB, control signals and network (Ethernet)
... can you not use plex/kodi from a media server (people are ripping 4k discs for personal use too)
 
jpaul said:
(from earlier thread)the price is exhorbitant hdanywhere for 4k eg £1k for 4 screens
  • Max. Resolution UltraHD / 4K / 2160p to HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 standard for a maximum of 4K60 8bit 4: 2: 0 or HDR10 format with 4K24 10bit 4: 2.0
  • Maximum transmission distance 40m at 4K / UltraHD or 70m at FullHD / 1080p - including PoE (bi-directional)
  • Supports all audio formats including Dolby Atmos and DTS: X
  • HDBaseT Lite functions up to 40m at 4K or 70m at 2K: transmission of uncompressed A / V signals as well as USB, control signals and network (Ethernet)
... can you not use plex/kodi from a media server (people are ripping 4k discs for personal use too)
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That might be exactly it..Not cheap though is it....To be honest its mostly for SKY (I know) Another 4 mini boxes is going to cost £400 so its not a big stretch to go for the above system.

Thanks
 
mattyg said:
That might be exactly it..Not cheap though is it....To be honest its mostly for SKY (I know) Another 4 mini boxes is going to cost £400 so its not a big stretch to go for the above system.

Thanks
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You can have 4 mini boxes, but you can't use more than two at any one time.... Did you know that?

Also, minis are 1080p max. There's no plans to make a 4K mini anywhere in Sky's future right now. Stupidly, IMO, they just don't see a requirement for it. As of this moment then, what you're really looking at is one 4K box tethered to a couple of main 4K TVs that you watch one or the other, but not both at the same time. That then leaves you with 2 minis at 1080i/p to distribute to service the rest of the house. Since these max out at 1080p then there's little point paying for 4K hardware to hang off the ends of some Cat6 cable, you might as well save the money today and buy 1080p HDBaseT TX/RX kits and wait for the prices to fall on 4K gear ready for when there's some proper sources to pipe in to it.

One fly in the ointment is control. The Q box and the minis all use the same IR codes. You're going to have to plan the system so that IR signals don't bleed on to more than one device.
 
lucid said:
You can have 4 mini boxes, but you can't use more than two at any one time.... Did you know that?

Also, minis are 1080p max. There's no plans to make a 4K mini anywhere in Sky's future right now. Stupidly, IMO, they just don't see a requirement for it. As of this moment then, what you're really looking at is one 4K box tethered to a couple of main 4K TVs that you watch one or the other, but not both at the same time. That then leaves you with 2 minis at 1080i/p to distribute to service the rest of the house. Since these max out at 1080p then there's little point paying for 4K hardware to hang off the ends of some Cat6 cable, you might as well save the money today and buy 1080p HDBaseT TX/RX kits and wait for the prices to fall on 4K gear ready for when there's some proper sources to pipe in to it.

One fly in the ointment is control. The Q box and the minis all use the same IR codes. You're going to have to plan the system so that IR signals don't bleed on to more than one device.
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Thanks Lucid... There are only two of us in the house so watching more 3 or more at once is unlikely... We have/will have 2 4k Tv and the rest will be 1080's I've still got my 2 Kuro's. My thinking was I need to get 4k to the 4k tvs but they wont be used at the same time. Apart from maybe Netflix etc If the limitation is only 1 4k then we will have to work around who watches what.

These TV's are wall hung so I don't want cables on show which is why we were thinking ethernet...
 
darkblade said:
I can recommend RuiPro Hybrid Fibre HDMI cable if you want to consider direct 4K connections.
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No chance for direct connections anymore.... Tiles are down and plastering is done.. House almost finished and the wife makes changes..............Women!!!!
 
the hybrid fibres are pre-terminated, so burying one in the wall would seem a bit risky, but is a cable routed externally via walls to a 4k splitter upstairs so bad ?
(can you hire fibre termination machines, if you did want to pull fibre through the walls ?)
 
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HDMI over ethernet
HDMI over IP

Very different beasts.

My only experience is with cheap HDMI over ethernet, flaky at best.
 
I've got a HDBaseT 4x4 matrix (not 4k, about 4yrs old now). Works a treat, single CAT6 cables used, and the unit has a ir emitters for each input which ive taped to the front of my sky box so only that emitter reaches that box, so when i select sky box 1 the signals are sent to that box only, then selecting sky box 2 the same, and no signal reaches the other box when its not supposed to. Was over £1k but it works.
 
I have a Wyrestorm HDMI over ethernet system and it works great. I have used it for a 2TB Sky Q and now a smart Now TV box, and it has worked fine with both. It was initially bought for getting the signal from my amp to my projector, but the cheap, huge hdmi cable I bought initially just worked, so I set up the HDMI over ethernet to take the sky to my bedroom, and used mini boxes or other now tv boxes in the cinema. The Cat 6 cable I used goes stright into the box at the source side, but I did terminate it to a plug on the other side, and used a smaller cat 6 run to the box there. Despite everyone saying this would likely not work, it works fine.

Couldn't figure out the IR blasters so easy though. So instead I used the BT remote for the Sky Q in the bedroom, and that worked perfectly, and now use the Roku app on a phone now it's hooked up to a now tv box. Works fine.
 
bledd said:
HDMI over ethernet
HDMI over IP

Very different beasts.

My only experience is with cheap HDMI over ethernet, flaky at best.
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Yuupp....... I should have researched it a little better...... HDMI over ethernet wont go through my switches HDMI over IP would..


Any recommendations......
 
don't think there was any confusion - hdmi over ip is a lossy real time compression of the hdmi data using hardware encoder ... 4k ip commercial solutions are even more expensive than 4k via dedicated ethernet/cat cable

but the home market for 4k/ethernet streaming must be negligible too, explaining expense .. most folks will stream hevc/h265 direct to a smart tv
 
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