HDR is underrated
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Isn't HDR on PC broke?
Depends on the game.
If game has native support, it looks great. If it doesn't, rtx HDR works wonders to give an experience almost as good as native HDR.
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I've got better things to do to check if a game is broken or working in HDR.
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Like posting in GPU threads you have no intention of buying?
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Well you could buy me a 4090.
There isn't a perfect hdr game as no game implements it the same way a movie or tv show does. On an OLED you can get excellent visuals (contrast balance and dynamic range) from native sdr in games alone and this is what they are developed under anyway with hdr seeming to be an afterthought typically.
Stalker 2 has perfect blacks in sdr on an oled monitor already with striking highlights on sources of light. Using HDR on it only provides a small visual difference which I did not prefer so stick with sdr as I do in many games.
Some people think just because highlights are boosted in hdr with many games that it's night and day, that's not accurate hdr, that's crap hdr. Look at how movies do hdr for a representation on what proper hdr is and when games do that consistently then come back to me because as of yet I cannot recall a single game using hdr the same way, as in properly.
Vibrant and bright overexposure is not accurate or enjoyable for those who prefer accuracy in dynamic range.
Stalker 2 has perfect blacks in sdr on an oled monitor already with striking highlights on sources of light. Using HDR on it only provides a small visual difference which I did not prefer so stick with sdr as I do in many games.
Some people think just because highlights are boosted in hdr with many games that it's night and day, that's not accurate hdr, that's crap hdr. Look at how movies do hdr for a representation on what proper hdr is and when games do that consistently then come back to me because as of yet I cannot recall a single game using hdr the same way, as in properly.
Vibrant and bright overexposure is not accurate or enjoyable for those who prefer accuracy in dynamic range.
I am still amazed at your stance on hdr for games given your love for IQ
Any game with half decent HDR loosk a million times better than SDR.Stalker 2 is massively better in hdr than sdr too, literally looks like a next gen game in comparison to sdr.....
There are a lot of poor hdr films/tv shows where blacks are raised and peak brightness isn't correct.
And for the games that don't support good/native hdr, it has been shown by the folks with proper calibration equipment etc. that rtx hdr delivers a pretty damn good near native hdr experience.
I have not watched a bad hdr movie yet but sure there are some. There are more poor hdr games though and rtx hdr does not solve that, plus it has a performance overhead which impacts as latency if it's a path traced game which is a nono regardless of gpu.
Stalker 2 isn't massively better lol. It's a different look that you either like or don't given there is no raised black floor in the sdr presentation and is reflective of true Stalker from the OG games (with corrected black floor).
Stalker 2 isn't massively better lol. It's a different look that you either like or don't given there is no raised black floor in the sdr presentation and is reflective of true Stalker from the OG games (with corrected black floor).
You mustn't watch many then
There are loads where blacks are raised and/or brightness is capped at certain level of nits.That is true, however, if you use the nvtrue hdr mod from nexus mods (or I think you can do it via the global inspector), you can set the debanding level (which is where most of the performance hit comes from) to a lower level and there is practically no performance hit then.
On oled, there will usually be no raised black even with sdr because of the pixels being self emissive, you don't need HDR to achieve the pitch blacks on oled, what hdr does for oled is more the dynamic range especially with the highlights/peak brightness.
Of course it's accurate HDR if highlights that are supposed to be brighter are brighter vs the overall APL
The purpose of HDR is exactly that - to provide high dynamic range, you're not getting that in SDR because it's impossible and the reason HDR doesn't always look super-impacrful is precisely because of what I mentioned in my last post: current-gen oled monitors simply don't get bright enough to provide enough luminance difference in higher APL scenes, hence only being certified for TB400 which is effectively SDR+. They only get by with their amazing contrast and look better than most brighter monitors that aren't self-emissive and can achieve nowhere near the contrast.
The only thing you're doing by running games in SDR is further decrease the dynamic range of the content because there's no way to show the difference between highlight luminance and the rest of the screen when you can't even break 300 nits at any APL window
You aren't getting any dynamic range in SDR because there isn't any, what you're seeing is oled contrast at work but being artificially limited by not letting the screen run at its full capabilities.
Nothing anyone says can change my own preference and what my eyes discern as acceptable just so you know, it's the whole reason I can't stand reshade mods as to date there isn't a single mod in any game where reshade has delivered what I consider to be "accurate" instead of artificial looking, which is the kind of look many games have with HDR whether native or otherwise.
And as said before in other threads, I use HDR where it is acceptable (to my eyes), otherwise it is left off in games. Two things I hold in high regard are my eyes for accuracy and my ears for their sensitivity and neither have really gotten that much weaker as I've got older.
And as said before in other threads, I use HDR where it is acceptable (to my eyes), otherwise it is left off in games. Two things I hold in high regard are my eyes for accuracy and my ears for their sensitivity and neither have really gotten that much weaker as I've got older.
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Problem for me is I can't tell
When I play a game that supports HDR; I always test both sdr and hdr to see which looks better because some games do have poor hdr and some have poor sdr.
But I can't do this with movies, because I only stream movies and neither the streaming apps, nor the TV has any settings for forcing sdr - if a movie from Apple TV or Netflix supports HDR then the TV is gonna play them in HDR whether I like it or not
I am absolutely not saying that you should change your own preference and I'm perfectly fine with it
Just stating facts - there simply is not enough metadata in an SDR signal for the screen to "know" what it's supposed to be doing with luminance and it just cannot precisely adjust it for different areas of the screen, that's why, for example, the difference in brightness between blades of grass and the sun is always going to be less impactful in SDR than in HDR because the former has no way to tell the screen anything precise about the scene.
I mean, it's clearly demonstrable. I'm playing RE4 now again, when I run it in HDR, a lantern looks like a damn lantern. It is PHYSICALLY brighter than many other elements of the screen. In SDR, all of that is lost and the dynamic range and interplay between those brighter and darker elements is crushed to hell. Same thing when I tried Lies of P. The only thing that's left is OLED contrast but everything just looks flat, as it should because you have very little dynamic range as the metadata is static and the display has nowhere near the flexibility in the way it shows content.
I have never used Reshade because I also couldn't find anything that produced acceptable results, yet have zero problems noticing SDR is just incomparable to even half-decent HDR
Just stating facts - there simply is not enough metadata in an SDR signal for the screen to "know" what it's supposed to be doing with luminance and it just cannot precisely adjust it for different areas of the screen, that's why, for example, the difference in brightness between blades of grass and the sun is always going to be less impactful in SDR than in HDR because the former has no way to tell the screen anything precise about the scene.I mean, it's clearly demonstrable. I'm playing RE4 now again, when I run it in HDR, a lantern looks like a damn lantern. It is PHYSICALLY brighter than many other elements of the screen. In SDR, all of that is lost and the dynamic range and interplay between those brighter and darker elements is crushed to hell. Same thing when I tried Lies of P. The only thing that's left is OLED contrast but everything just looks flat, as it should because you have very little dynamic range as the metadata is static and the display has nowhere near the flexibility in the way it shows content.
I have never used Reshade because I also couldn't find anything that produced acceptable results, yet have zero problems noticing SDR is just incomparable to even half-decent HDR
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Nothing anyone says can change my own preference and what my eyes discern as acceptable just so you know, it's the whole reason I can't stand reshade mods as to date there isn't a single mod in any game where reshade has delivered what I consider to be "accurate" instead of artificial looking, which is the kind of look many games have with HDR whether native or otherwise.
And as said before in other threads, I use HDR where it is acceptable (to my eyes), otherwise it is left off in games. Two things I hold in high regard are my eyes for accuracy and my ears for their sensitivity and neither have really gotten that much weaker as I've got older.
This is how it feel too. But difference is I could not give a damn if it is accurate or not. Does it look better or worse is my question.
HDR in most cases simply looks much better. Simples
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That's how I feel about ultrawide. "But it's more cinematic", don't care, looks worse to me but by all means try and tell me why I'm 'wrong'
Imagine how short threads would be if people understood they aren't changing anyone's mind lol.
Imagine how short threads would be if people understood they aren't changing anyone's mind lol.