Headphones..

As opposed to joint-the-dots thinking like listening to loud music must damage your ears I suppose? It's loud so it must be dangerous, I mean it must be...I just feel it is in my waters.

As I said we used to think sitting too close to the television damaged your eyes using the same simple logic. That has thoroughly been debunked since. And it's not a single sample, at Uni I was part of the DJ society and I still know plenty of the guys who are still DJing now and none of them have any hearing problems and all in their 30s.

Look at the likes of Pete Tong, Judge Jules, Carl Cox etc who have been exposed to loud music for decades, none of them have hearing issues.

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I think the science behind noise induced hearing loss is slightly more involved than that.

Indeed.

Look at the likes of Pete Tong, Judge Jules, Carl Cox etc who have been exposed to loud music for decades, none of them have hearing issues.

Perhaps because they wear frequency cancelling earplugs and have local volume controls.....
 
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They are trendy, theyre very fashionable, lots of people are buying them at the moment, theyre popular... how is that not trendy?

They weren't born in the fire of consumerism, their quality is astounding and have been around long before headphones became a fashion accessory.
 
I think the science behind noise induced hearing loss is slightly more involved than that.

And yet not backed up by reality. Show me where DJs (the most common users of high powered headphones) are losing their hearing in their 30s in droves (as claimed) because I don't see it.
 
You're the only one who's said anything about 'DJs in their 30s in droves'.

NIHL isn't a complete fantasy as you imply and just saying 'well look at this select group of people' doesn't disprove it - like many many ailments, it doesn't affect 100% of people in exactly the same manner.

That's all besides the fact this is a completely over the top discussion based on a throwaway joke on a forum.
 
And yet not backed up by reality. Show me where DJs (the most common users of high powered headphones) are losing their hearing in their 30s in droves (as claimed) because I don't see it.

No, because DJs (and Musicians/Production Crew) who know what they are doing wear hi-Fidelity frequency cancelling earplugs when working to protect their hearing.
 
Bulls Hit. I was a DJ from 1999-2004 regularly using Sony MDR-V700DJs which I could use as mini speakers that were that loud and clear. I'd even go up to professional speaker and subwoofers and place my head against them (usually when drunk) for a while.

I'm now 33 and not a single hearing problem. Listening to loud music doesn't damage your ears anymore than the myth that sitting too close to the TV damages your eyes.

My comment was meant slightly flippantly but in all seriousness for every person I know who have abused their ears that way for years without any problem I know another person whose hearing has suffered due to it - some people can get away with it (myself too mostly) others it seems can't.
 
They are trendy, theyre very fashionable, lots of people are buying them at the moment, theyre popular... how is that not trendy?

Because they were making great products for decades before they ever became popular in the mainstream. Getting the recognition they deserve doesn't make them 'trendy'.
 
That would make the job slightly harder don't you think?

For some it is weird and use other methods of protection, but many have no problems using such earplugs and it doesn't make it difficult for them, be more difficult if they started getting frequency pitches and tinnitus I would imagine.
 
For some it is weird and use other methods of protection, but many have no problems using such earplugs and it doesn't make it difficult for them, be more difficult if they started getting frequency pitches and tinnitus I would imagine.

Depends completely on the venue. As someone who's actually DJ'd in clubs (as opposed to someone using Google and filling in the gaps) I can say that if you can't hear the audio coming from the main speakers perfectly then it becomes much harder to DJ well.

Some places I played would have a horrendous delay, almost half a second between what you can hear in your headphones and the sound coming from the speakers. Ear plugs may still allow you to detect the beat coming from the main speakers but a good DJ does more than just beat matching, there is high-hat matching and key matching which would be nigh on impossible with ear plugs in.
 
Depends completely on the venue. As someone who's actually DJ'd in clubs (as opposed to someone using Google and filling in the gaps) I can say that if you can't hear the audio coming from the main speakers perfectly then it becomes much harder to DJ well.

Some places I played would have a horrendous delay, almost half a second between what you can hear in your headphones and the sound coming from the speakers. Ear plugs may still allow you to detect the beat coming from the main speakers but a good DJ does more than just beat matching, there is high-hat matching and key matching which would be nigh on impossible with ear plugs in.

Well. Many pro DJs including those you mentioned use ear protection of some description, so regardless of your assumed appeal to authority, it would appear your claims that noise induced hearing loss is Bulls Hit are somewhat wide of the mark.
 
Fairly sure plenty of decent enough DJs use them. 99% sure Andy C does for example, and he's not exactly a small time DJ.

I would imagine if one could be bothered to spend a while on google typing in DJs name and 'ear plugs' or similar, you'd find plenty of evidence or advocacy from prominent DJs to use them.
 
Well if you wanted on topic, then posting in the AV or Hardware forums might have been more productive than General Discussion :p
 
Fairly sure plenty of decent enough DJs use them. 99% sure Andy C does for example, and he's not exactly a small time DJ.

I would imagine if one could be bothered to spend a while on google typing in DJs name and 'ear plugs' or similar, you'd find plenty of evidence or advocacy from prominent DJs to use them.

Pete Tong uses ACS earplugs as does FatboySlim. Mixmag listed a bunch of DJs such as Carl Cox and Judge Jukes who also wear custom earplugs. Carl Cox wears Earproof customs if his record company Intec is telling the truth.
 
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Pete Tong uses ACS earplugs

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maybe he got transparent ones?

as does FatboySlim.....

Mr Cook has also managed to get hold of these invisible ear plugs...


He's not even wearing shoes/socks for FFS. I doubt a man with such flagrant regard for splinters would consider tinnitus :D

Mixmag listed a bunch of DJs such as Carl Cox

Like the video above, both ears are clearly shown throught the video, not an earplug in sight....


and Judge Jukes

presuming you meant Judge Jules then if he does he clearly only cares about one ear and he clearly isn't using them in his often exposed left ear as shown here....


I wouldn't be surprised if they say (because they are being paid to) that they use them, the reality isn't always the same. Just as many athletes claim they exclusively drink lucozade and that Jamie Oliver shops in Sainsbury's.

The fact is, top quality headphones negate the need for ear plugs because they are in-themselves excellent noise cancellers. All they have to do is put them on and turn the headphone volume down.
 
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