Heat Pumps: anyone have one/thought about it?

I do agree. In the 90s a lot of the plumbing in larger estate builds went to crap, 8mm microbore saved pennies, 75mm cavities (when winters were colder!) etc.... Makes difficult to update buildings.

We are building our own house now, and self builders require more stringent efficiency make-up than Taylor Wimpy, Redrow etc... despite these guys having huge economies of scale. They should be held to a higher standard than individuals, but it will never happen!
All the houses around here built in the late 90s have uninsulated cavities, some people have added it and some have had it removed due to it causing problems. Houses of that era seem to have higher frontloaded costs for getting onto a heat pump.

You are absolutely right on the second point as well, makes no sense. You would have hoped this gov would be closing that gap but it doesn't look to be happening.
 
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I do plan to get solar and battery storage but not for 2-3 years.

I'm on a fixed tariff until sept with no time of use periods.

Currently paying 22.44p for electric and 5.5p for gas
It really just depends of you want to seize the opportunity to move over when it’s £500. I can’t see it getting any cheaper put it that way.

P.S. if you have the money, install solar ASAP. We really are in a golden age right now, costs really are as low as I have ever seen. Panels are as cheap as I can ever seeing them getting and batteries are getting cheaper. On the flip side the cost to have them installed isn’t getting cheaper (e.g. wages for trades) so I can’t see the overall cost dropping much more.
 
octopus has given me an online quote of £1800 after grant...... they now want £200 to do full survey and start the journey
That's slightly stomachable, I got an online quote of £7500 (incl the grant)

For what it's worth, it's a 3 bed victorian semi... not sure if a ASHP is best suited really but thought it was worth a look, my boilers got loads of life left in it but gas prices shan't be getting cheaper!
 
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So I've been looking into this more and have been trying to work out two things: 1. Whether we can fit a hot water tank in the airing cupboard and 2. What it might cost per year to run (worst case).

The airing cupboard is 850mm x 650mm x >2000mm and currently houses our combi boiler. I know Octopus do a slimline tank, but they can be pretty strict on the 1m x 1m x 2m dimensions. I am not too concerned if they need to put other things in the loft, but as our loft already contains 165kg of batteries, I don't like the idea of any more heavy items up there so would not want the tank up there. We have electric showers and only use hot water for the sinks and the occasional very shallow bath for the kids, so we don't need a huge capacity tank.

The location of the heat pump is also a consideration. The perfect spot would be against the wall on the other side of the house to where the boiler currently is. That would involve an approx. 8.7m run through the loft and then down and out around 4.8m to the heat pump if it were to be located there. The consumer unit is also on the other side of the house, so a cable run would be needed too (not to mention another sub-unit).

Cost wise to run, we use about 7200kWh of gas for heating and hot water per year. This is almost identical to what our EPC says (B 86) - approx. 7100kWh. We live in a 2019 new build which is extremely well insulated. Assuming the boiler is 95% efficient, that's 6840kWh of heat. Assuming a rough COP of 3.5, that's 1954kWh of electricity. We're on Intelligent Octopus Go EV tariff, so get 6 hours at 6p/kWh and the other 18 hours at 25.045p, so that would be an average 20.28p over the 24 hours. That would be £396 per year vs £454 for gas - we would only require a COP of 3.0 to break even. This is worst case and does not take into account that we have a 14.7kWh battery and 9.42kW of solar, so it would be substantially less in reality. We could eventually also go induction hob and remove the gas altogether, saving the £108 standing charge per year.

I did a test yesterday running the combi at 50C to see how the house temperature faired and it did struggle a little but did eventually get to temperature, so I imagine we'd need a few radiators replacing, but nothing drastic. The quote suggests Octopus will do this. We're on the standard plastic 10mm OD piping to the radiators so not ideal, but pretty standard for new builds.

I think for the quoted £600 installation cost it's worth it for us. The wife likes the idea of the house being a constant temperature so is in favour too. The big question mark is the hot water tank. I guess the only way to know is to have the survey.
 
I inquired about heat pump with octopus and they wanted money before doing a survey but said if I wasn't happy to go ahead id get the money back, seems like a lot of hassle instead of just coming out to do the survey without the faff of paying/refunding etc etc.
 
I inquired about heat pump with octopus and they wanted money before doing a survey but said if I wasn't happy to go ahead id get the money back, seems like a lot of hassle instead of just coming out to do the survey without the faff of paying/refunding etc etc.
The surveys are quite involved and take a bit of time. Its probably a good way for them to weed out the time wasters.
 
That's slightly stomachable, I got an online quote of £7500 (incl the grant)

For what it's worth, it's a 3 bed victorian semi... not sure if a ASHP is best suited really but thought it was worth a look, my boilers got loads of life left in it but gas prices shan't be getting cheaper!
You did well! I got a quote of £18,500 before the grants deduction following a visit and heat loss survey & a similarly priced seperate online 'quote' via HeatGeek!! 4 bed detatched, circa 15 years old!! As you can imagine, thats not going to happen so I think ill just replace the oil boiler for a new condensing one and see where the tech is in 15 years time!
 
You did well! I got a quote of £18,500 before the grants deduction following a visit and heat loss survey & a similarly priced seperate online 'quote' via HeatGeek!! 4 bed detatched, circa 15 years old!! As you can imagine, thats not going to happen so I think ill just replace the oil boiler for a new condensing one and see where the tech is in 15 years time!
I mean yeah that’s not great. It was £17,500.

My gas bill for last week was around £50. I’m going to tweak my heating setup this weekend and wire in OpenTherm I think!
 
So I've been looking into this more and have been trying to work out two things: 1. Whether we can fit a hot water tank in the airing cupboard and 2. What it might cost per year to run (worst case).

The airing cupboard is 850mm x 650mm x >2000mm and currently houses our combi boiler. I know Octopus do a slimline tank, but they can be pretty strict on the 1m x 1m x 2m dimensions. I am not too concerned if they need to put other things in the loft, but as our loft already contains 165kg of batteries, I don't like the idea of any more heavy items up there so would not want the tank up there. We have electric showers and only use hot water for the sinks and the occasional very shallow bath for the kids, so we don't need a huge capacity tank.
You’ll need to talk to your surveyor about this. They can put the buffer in the loft no problem.

I wouldn’t skimp on the tank, make sure you get something that can also be used for showers. Trust me, mains pressure hot water blows an electric shower away and I’d fully recommend the upgrade when you next fancy doing some renovation work.

You could always get the structural calcs done for the loft and if it will go in there you gain a very useful cupboard in your house.
The location of the heat pump is also a consideration. The perfect spot would be against the wall on the other side of the house to where the boiler currently is. That would involve an approx. 8.7m run through the loft and then down and out around 4.8m to the heat pump if it were to be located there. The consumer unit is also on the other side of the house, so a cable run would be needed too (not to mention another sub-unit).
Should be fine, functionally there isn’t a limit, it just adds to the heat loss.

Cost wise to run, we use about 7200kWh of gas for heating and hot water per year. This is almost identical to what our EPC says (B 86) - approx. 7100kWh. We live in a 2019 new build which is extremely well insulated. Assuming the boiler is 95% efficient, that's 6840kWh of heat. Assuming a rough COP of 3.5, that's 1954kWh of electricity. We're on Intelligent Octopus Go EV tariff, so get 6 hours at 6p/kWh and the other 18 hours at 25.045p, so that would be an average 20.28p over the 24 hours. That would be £396 per year vs £454 for gas - we would only require a COP of 3.0 to break even. This is worst case and does not take into account that we have a 14.7kWh battery and 9.42kW of solar, so it would be substantially less in reality. We could eventually also go induction hob and remove the gas altogether, saving the £108 standing charge per year.
Your gas boiler definitely isn’t 95% efficient regardless is what the sticker says, however you’ll probably run the house slightly warmer on average than you otherwise would with the boiler because it will be cheaper per kWh to run.

But given you have solar, batteries and time of use, you’ll save some money either way. Gas can’t compete when you are paying below the going rate for electricity.

I also really rate induction hobs, they work very well but it does mean you can’t use cheap aluminium pans and the aluminium pans that claim to be induction compatible because they put a thin bit of steel on the bottom are not great either.
I did a test yesterday running the combi at 50C to see how the house temperature faired and it did struggle a little but did eventually get to temperature, so I imagine we'd need a few radiators replacing, but nothing drastic. The quote suggests Octopus will do this. We're on the standard plastic 10mm OD piping to the radiators so not ideal, but pretty standard for new builds.
I’d expect then to want to swap your reception rooms and bedrooms as a minimum.

I think for the quoted £600 installation cost it's worth it for us. The wife likes the idea of the house being a constant temperature so is in favour too. The big question mark is the hot water tank. I guess the only way to know is to have the survey.
Yup, pretty much.

See my comments about the tank above. I wouldn’t write off the loft either, the extra space in the house is more useful.
 
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