Soldato
That's unfortunate for them, but not my problem
You mean like stopping it from trespassing on someone else's property where it might get injured or killed?
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Hedgehog issue
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That's unfortunate for them, but not my problem
You mean like stopping it from trespassing on someone else's property where it might get injured or killed?
Soldato
No. Because cats are pets. People own them, get attached to them, and may well take action against you if you allow your pet to kill theirs. You can theorise all you like, but you won't stop an irate neighbour that way. If you don't care about their pet, they aren't going to see things your way. They sure as heck aren't going to care about yours.
Soldato
LOL! So you happily allow your dog to kill people's pets because they trespassed. Seriously?
A dog owner has a duty to control their dog, and that includes in gardens. Same with any pet.
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Soldato
Now you're just putting words in my mouth.
I didn't say anything about being happy about it, I would be extremely upset, and I would do everything I can to prevent it, but ultimately if a cat decides it wants to come into a dog's territory and then act like prey, it's not the dog owner's fault if something happens to that cat. Muzzling a dog in its own home 24/7 isn't reasonable, and claiming that an owner who doesn't do so is irresponsible is on a whole new level of Karen
And yet somehow you don't believe it's the cat owner's duty to control their cat?
If you allow your cat to roam free then you're taking the risk that it's going to get lost/run over/attacked by something (dog/fox/another cat/etc.).
Maybe the cat owner should train their cat to fight back instead of acting like prey and running away (a dog can't chase something that stands it ground). Our greyhound is more scared of our cats than they are of her, because she knows if she goes near them they will happily **** her up
Maybe they should be responsible enough to look after them properly, and stop them going places where they are likely to get hurt?
"Take action".
So... do you mean legal action - which will result in you being politely told to stop wasting police time, or do you mean the cat owner showing themselves up to be the mindless thug they actually are?
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Then we wonder why Mother Nature turns against us.
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Funnily enough that very same cat walked straight into our living room last summer through the conservatory window. As I mentioned previously she was very young and inquisitive. Thankfully greyhounds sleep like the devil and we where able to coax her out without him even noticing.
I did care when the cat was killed. I was distraught. We did all the things you should do in a situation like that and upon finding out who's cat it was I went round that evening and explained the situation, even offering to cover costs for cremation.
Had a hog run across my front lawn other day and go into the garden.
Living on the edge of suburbs do get frequent hog visits. They are so cute. And so much decline it's nice they have a home in our garden.
Garden is wild with a bramble thicket and log and stick piles. So lots of food and shelter for them.
Hate immaculate gardens.
Living on the edge of suburbs do get frequent hog visits. They are so cute. And so much decline it's nice they have a home in our garden.
Garden is wild with a bramble thicket and log and stick piles. So lots of food and shelter for them.
Hate immaculate gardens.
Soldato
The only point I am trying to make here, is that you could end up with a very irate neighbour. I mean, people can really, really love their pets. They can become very angry and vindictive. Is that the neighbour you want? Sure, they can sue you for damages, but that's not really what I mean. A neighbour who hates you and your dog is a dangerous neighbour.
My own opinion is that I just couldn't allow any pet to kill another. Legally right or wrong. Cats are curious. They will come to say hello.
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Sounds like my friends Tinder dates!
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Tricky one to be honest.
Whilst most dogs will not stand much chance with a cat (either fight or faster to flee short distances) a trained dog is going to be a bit different, trained to chase I mean.
Personally if I was OP I would pay a little more attention before letting out at night and day. I mean its not the OPs fault, but just for the good of Hedgehogs (they are struggling as a species) and also potentially neighbours cats.
Owning an outside cat you recognise risks are there, plenty of them, and roaming into a dogs space is one of them.
Whilst most dogs will not stand much chance with a cat (either fight or faster to flee short distances) a trained dog is going to be a bit different, trained to chase I mean.
Personally if I was OP I would pay a little more attention before letting out at night and day. I mean its not the OPs fault, but just for the good of Hedgehogs (they are struggling as a species) and also potentially neighbours cats.
Owning an outside cat you recognise risks are there, plenty of them, and roaming into a dogs space is one of them.
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We talked last night about fencing the end of the garden off to allow them to roam free around or across it as they never really come that close to the house (hedgehogs I mean, a cat will go where it wants).
My dog only goes for cats.
He wouldn't go for a hog.
He now doesn't even bother my hens.
But cats? It whines at the patio window and just wants to go get them.
They seem to walk along the fence now.
So hopefully they've got the message not to come in and poo in the garden!
He wouldn't go for a hog.
He now doesn't even bother my hens.
But cats? It whines at the patio window and just wants to go get them.
They seem to walk along the fence now.
So hopefully they've got the message not to come in and poo in the garden!
Correct. Legally, a cat isn't someone's property when they're roaming outside. That's reason why drivers aren't obliged to stop if they hit one, but are if they hit a dog. However. having a greyhound (ex race dog) kill one of our neighbour's cats relatively recently, I've had plenty of discussions with local cat owners about the possible repercussions for the local dog owner if it was their cat that got killed. luckily for said dog owner the cat owner was very reasonable about it. But the fall gamut of human anger and possible vengeance was aired by other neighbours, including straightforward murder.
So yeah, it could very much be your problem.
I'd be worried about the cat owner throwing poison over the fence etc.
Although legally you'd be OK.. You'd be living with anxiety of what neighbours could do.
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Soldato
If they need to do something to compensate for their own failings as a pet owner, then they're welcome to try
That goes both ways though. If they're willing to instigate that kind of situation then the gloves are off
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If they need to do something to compensate for their own failings as a pet owner, then they're welcome to try
That goes both ways though. If they're willing to instigate that kind of situation then the gloves are off
Fair enough, if your happy with a beserk housewife at your front door wanting to kill you with a kitchen knife, that's your call.
Soldato
I wouldn't say "happy" as such, prepared to deal with is probably the more appropriate term. Also saying that's what they'd do when questioned about it in passing, and actually doing so are two very different things. If someone is so unhinged to actually behave in such a manner over an accident (for which they are equally culpable), then they almost certainly need psychiatric help.
As per the OP I'd be absolutely gutted, and be more than willing to do the right thing and help out with vet bills/funeral costs etc., but ultimately, if I've taken all reasonable measures to prevent it from occurring (tall fences, checking the garden before letting the dog out etc.), and their inability to look after their pet has resulted in injuries or death, then I've done nothing wrong, either legally or morally. If they don't want to be reasonable about it, and accept that sometimes unfortunate accidents happen, then that says far more about them than me.
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