help! CRT switch to TFT for heavy gamer

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Well i'm just about to maje the leap from crt(hansol 920D..which i'll prolly keep for some clan matches depending on the new monitors responsiveness) to tft for my new system which will be powered by either a 2900pro 512mb or the upcoming 8800GT, was looking at the 22 inchers from samy's as they same a fair price for the spec,nut must say i'm drooloing over the NEC LCDWXG2 20.1"...but i'm also quite tempted to get mysel a ps3 around chrimbo,so with that in mind which do you knowledgable chaps advice ...thanks in advance folkies;)
 
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what games?

If its first person shooters its highly unlikely you'll be 100% happy with any if your a competitive gamer. The samsung 226bw or other overdriven tn-panel's are an absolute must if you insist on getting on otherwise you will 100% be disappointed. So basically £220 or so will be needed, no more.

My dell 2407 (£400) is horrendous at coping with first person shooters. Its just a train wreck :( I recall my 226bw which i sold being vastly better. None of the 24"'s or above are likely to fair any better.
 
Sorry i shoulda said...mainly it's FPS games..i would say i'm more a competitve gamerl...CSS BF2, COD..that sorta stuff (enjoy clan matches)..although love me pro evo :D..thanks a million for your help again peeps :):cool:;) ...you reckon i'd even notice a big diff with the NEC...or am i going to have to wait for the new 100mhz tft's..i'll prolly be keepin the trusty ol Hansol 920D for a while yet no matter what...just fancied sumink nice to show off my new g/card...any more opinions hugely appreciated
 
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I have a 2232BW and I'd recommend it to anybody. More then meets needs for FPS'. the native res is 1650 x 1080 not 1900 x 1200 so you wont need to upgrade the GFX card to cope with the monster res when nice new games come out ^

- Pea0n
 
Can't go wrong with something like a Dell 2007wfp. Offers 95% of what the NEC does but much cheaper. Much better viewing angles than TNs like the 223bw, very quick, around 11 ms average lag (which is as good as you'll get in a non-TN), great colours etc.
 
Another vote the the NEC. I can't fault it except wishing I had another 2".....the monitor that is :D

And if you don;t mind 2nd hand I picked mine up for £120 a month ago with zero dead pixels :D
 
Practically everyones recommending totally the wrong screen for someone who describes themselves as more of a competitive gamer :p I've played fps games for prize money in top teams and know exactly what i'm on about when it comes to this (even if I don't know much else :( ). The dell 2007wfp imo would be an awful choice performing in a similar way to the 2407wfp for this sort of thing.

The NEC "may" be ok but why risk it? as far as TFT's go i find it hard to believe any are as good as the overdriven 2ms displays named a bit below.

I've nothing to gain by giving this advice as I don't even have the screen myself anymore (use a 22" CRT instead again) but please use common sense! go for either...

SM-2232BW

or

Samsung 226bw

Both these 2ms overdriven tn-panel displays that imo represent very good value for money.

I'm not going to win a popularity contest am I! :p However the truth is important!

A casual gamer will tell you time and time again how "blah lcd is great for this" but that doesn't mean it is for everyone! Fact is even the ones i've named don't compare to a good CRT when it comes to responsiveness (though they do have much brighter screens etc etc nice sharp native res's etc) but they're imo the next best thing.
 
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Good points, but every review out there will tell you that most of the response times quoted aren't worth the paper they're printed on and all point to the NEC being the best. The main reason people go for the likes of the Samsung (especially on these forums) is bang for buck rather than what's best. I own the NEC btw and sure, it was definitely a step down from my old Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454 crt...but as far as LCD's go it's fast and the colours are excellent and I do fairly well in Q4 Multi and that's hardly slow.
 
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prepare to be disappointed Lobovski. If you're a pro gamer you are putting yourself at a disadvantage on TFT, they don't compare to CRT, nowhere near. Sure, maybe the sammy's are responsive (i owned one shortly) but capped at 60fps? no thanks, not for pro gaming, especially CSS.
 
prepare to be disappointed Lobovski. If you're a pro gamer you are putting yourself at a disadvantage on TFT, they don't compare to CRT, nowhere near. Sure, maybe the sammy's are responsive (i owned one shortly) but capped at 60fps? no thanks, not for pro gaming, especially CSS.
why would u be capped at 60fps ? sure u can turn vsync off
 
I believe he's on about the TFT's refresh rate. Even though TFT's don't theoretically 'refresh' as it where.
 
Think he might mean that having to have vsync turned on capps you fps at 60mhz, well that's what I've had to do with most fps on my Sammy226cw otherwise you get unwanted tearing using at native res.
 
Think he might mean that having to have vsync turned on capps you fps at 60mhz, well that's what I've had to do with most fps on my Sammy226cw otherwise you get unwanted tearing using at native res.

Just ordered a Samsung 22" Pebble [2232BW] I just hope my 512mb X1900XT-X can cope with the increase in resolution, at least in DOD:S give OAP some more action :P (I am form SLHR btw ;) )
 
Practically everyones recommending totally the wrong screen for someone who describes themselves as more of a competitive gamer :p I've played fps games for prize money in top teams and know exactly what i'm on about when it comes to this (even if I don't know much else :( ). The dell 2007wfp imo would be an awful choice performing in a similar way to the 2407wfp for this sort of thing.
You may know competitive gaming but you don't seem to be up to date on your monitors. 2007wfp has just about the lowest lag you will get on a non-TN screen - 11 ms average. Nothing like the 35 ms average you get on a 2407wfp. Also in terms of response time, just take a look at the digitalversus pictures - the 2007wfp rivals even the 226bw for ghosting. For some reason Dell quote the ISO reponse time for the screen rather than G2G, it's actually an 8 ms GTG screen and philips who make the panel rate it at 6 ms GTG.

If you want a screen that's capable for fast gaming and has the better colours and viewing angles of a quality panel, the 2007wfp is one of very few screens that fits the bill (along with the NEC).

I've played lots of UT2004 instagib on mine, plus competitive online racing games (rfactor 1979 mod) and it's well up to the job.
 
Firstly, i didn't mean to cause offence and people fork out lots of money on screens but i do feel that theres still no perfect "allround" lcd's right now.

I've actually seen an dell 2007wfp a few weeks back at a friends and its definitely far laggier than the 226bw that i had and it felt to me in a really similar way to the dell 2407wfp. However, it was a really sharp screen that looked very accurate, very colourful and had great viewing angles, without doubt it'd be perfect in all other types of games just as the 2407 is.

I Know the "blah blah ms" thing is rubbish but i do believe that overdriven tn-panels are a long way ahead for first person shooters still. I must say I don't feel digitalversus is very accurate at all tbh. They do all these silly tests but the reason i refered to the problem as "laggier" rather than less ghosty is because i'm not entirely sure what it is. I get the feeling its not just afterglow or tearing thats the problem its like some mystical force that makes LCD's pants on first person shooters :D maybe its input lag? or some other sort of lag thats not even been discussed yet?

You'll get some people who will say "the dell 2407wfp is great for first person shooters, no ghosting at all". Its an opinion that'll vary drastically and different people will notice different things.

Only lcd i've not tried is the NEC but i've read nothing in its specs to suggest to me it'd be any better than say...the 2007wfp in these sort of games. If you play racing games online then ofcourse it'll perform great on that sort of game, my dell 2407wfp is fantastic on pro evo / racing games etc etc, no noticable afterglow whatsoever. Also UT2003 has uncapped fps and if you have a recent rig your fps is probably in the hundreds which helps to cover up the tearing bigtime. On a game with a 60fps cap like quake4 or any quake4 engine based games it'd probably fair far worse.

I really do think all this "measuring red cars going across a screen and taking a picture of the delay" is the most stupid thing. It tests the theory behind it but does nothing to prove / describe how particular monitors feel on certain games.

Putting it in more useful practice...Say on quake 3/4 over the course of 30 mins or however long i'd expect to rail @

50-60% on a CRT
40-50% on a 226bw
30-40% on any non-tn panel / (e.g. dell 2407wfp)
I'd expect the NEC to be similar to a dell/benq etc etc from reading about them.

Again, these non-tn panels with super-duper colours are fantastic for almost any type of game but there really is a question mark over them for competitive gaming on first person shooters. I'd obviously prefer say...a 2007wfp over a samsung 226bw if i was into world of warcraft / videos / browsing. Its just down to taste.

I agree with other posts recently saying "just stick with a CRT as its a disadvantage otherwise" as tbh this is the bottom line.
 
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