Help me build a beast.

rjkoneill said:
Hi OP
welcome to the forums :)

why not consider one of our prebuilt systems

the Ultima Mosasaur we sell comes with everything you are looking for.

add the SSD option [120gb] as well as a second GPU and windows 7 HP 64 and you have a top spec PC with a warranty for under £1500
this system in that configuration would decimate every game up to 1080p easily.

cant really ask for more than that :)
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because the OP already has an amazing case, wants a water cooled setup, and is quite happy to build it himself to save the 20% of the prebuild cost that goes on labour. i thought that much was obvious

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he'd save over £430 by building and overclocking exactly the same PC by himself :eek:



Jony27 said:
Reaper, i was agreeing with your post about 850w :(
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oh, i thought you were saying they only needed 750W. sorry about that
 
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Jony27 said:
^^ £1.6k spec with a 60GB SSD :D i think you can do better than that.
and SB only works with dual channel RAM
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Haha forgot about the dual channel thought the i7 was tri chan, also only put a 60gb ssd as he said he just wanted it for a boot drive and basic programs, didn't see the point in spending £300 on an ssd if he he doesn't need anything over 60. Ssds don't really impress me, I sold mine as couldn't be bothered and didn't really notice any speed difference from hdd, was a cheaper ssd tho so might be why :-)
 
Reaper 392 said:
because the OP already has an amazing case, wants a water cooled setup, and is quite happy to build it himself to save the 20% of the prebuild cost that goes on labour. i thought that much was obvious

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he'd save over £430 by building and overclocking exactly the same PC by himself :eek:
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Thanks for your outstanding contribution. How is the weather looking all the way up there on your high horse?

I was merely pointing out that pre-built is an option and well within the budget, plus it gives the OP piece of mind with a warranty.
the option was extended to the original poster who has clearly stated that he has £1500 to spend on computer hardware. I have presented him with an option of a full system for the sum of money he has at his disposal. it is up to him what he spends it on. I thought that much was obvious...

no offence to the OP as this is ENTIRELY aimed at Reaper 392 but I would rather cut off a limb than agree that a Thermaltake pre water-cooled case is "amazing". In fact, implying that ANY Thermaltake case is good is a real cause for concern.

As you have suggested in your specification [which includes possibly the worst 1155 motherboard I have sadly had the displeasure of using] you have recognised that sandy bridge is the most cost effective performance option for the OP. This is totally correct but unfortunately draws a neat line under the point where our agreement ends.
1155 hardly needs water cooling considering the outstanding air cooling options available for the platform.
Perhaps the OP's original idea of a 1366 setup would benefit from a custom waterloop for the CPU, but there is simply no requirement for it here.
you have suggested he buys an entire new loop, this would surely render his current 'amazing' case useless? sticking to air cooling makes the most sense for the budget.

Just Saying.
 
rjkoneill said:
Thanks for your outstanding contribution. How is the weather looking all the way up there on your high horse?

I was merely pointing out that pre-built is an option and well within the budget, plus it gives the OP piece of mind with a warranty.
the option was extended to the original poster who has clearly stated that he has £1500 to spend on computer hardware. I have presented him with an option of a full system for the sum of money he has at his disposal. it is up to him what he spends it on. I thought that much was obvious...

no offence to the OP as this is ENTIRELY aimed at Reaper 392 but I would rather cut off a limb than agree that a Thermaltake pre water-cooled case is "amazing". In fact, implying that ANY Thermaltake case is good is a real cause for concern.

As you have suggested in your specification [which includes possibly the worst 1155 motherboard I have sadly had the displeasure of using] you have recognised that sandy bridge is the most cost effective performance option for the OP. This is totally correct but sadly draws a neat line under the point where our agreement ends.
1155 hardly needs water cooling considering the outstanding air cooling options available for the platform.
Perhaps the OP's original idea of a a 1366 setup would benefit from a custom waterloop for the CPU, but there is simply no requirement for it here.

Just Saying.
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sorry if it came over as rude. it wasnt meant to be, but i was just trying to point out that it costs him a HUGE amount more to have it pre built. if it was a couple of hundred for the build then i wouldnt have been so rude, but seriously, £430 to build and overclock a computer? my entire PC costs about that much

the case looked ok to me. certainly looked better than the bitphoenix that comes with the mosasaur. amazing probably wasnt the best word though.

as for the motherboard, whats with all the hate for the asrock all of a sudden. a couple of weeks ago it was the best thing since sliced bread, even stulid got one. now ive had two seperate threads where people have said they dont like it.

i also agree with you about the air cooling, but the OP said he wanted water so i went along with that. im sure you know that watercooling, especially for graphics, is far better if your willing to put the effort in.

once again, sorry for my frankly awful tone :(
 
Because that is a superb case for the money. It wouldn't be specced on a high end system if it wasn't up to the job.
 
may i ask, whats the maximum GPU size the shinobi can hold, and if you have a side panel without the fan mount/grill?
 
rjkoneill said:
Because that is a superb case for the money. It wouldn't be specced on a high end system if it wasn't up to the job.
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Makes sense, my wife has a 690 II Adv and I have a 600T, a fair bit of price difference but perform very similarly. Past the parts fitting and decent air flow it really a matter of preference with cases...
 
obviously, all of the cases can be changed to anything that you prefer by calling our sales line. in any instances that they are unsure about compatibility, the sales team will consult with our technical department to advise on the best setup for a customer.

back to the subject of the shinobi case, it is a brilliant case for the money, the quality and feel of the case is very nice and matches the presentation of cases double its price.
plus the cooling performance is ample for a high end crossfire system which is what we look for when specifying our pre built range.
the system comes as standard with a 4.6ghz overclock and even with both GPUs at full load the case easily handles it.

in my opinion, another case to consider for a system like that would be the Coolermaster HAF 912+. Again, this is another example of todays sub £100 case range blowing older cases out of the water. the build quality and cooling performance are epic.

another thing to consider is ease of upgrades for customers. we try to ensure that all of our systems have quick release mech on as many of our cases as possible so that customers can add their own hardware to their computer easily. [hard drives, card readers etc]
 
Firstly guys sorry for the slow reply but to earn money for this (upto now thoretical) beast of a PC, i have been hard at work in my new job :-)

So firstly: The McDonalds apple pie IS! the hottest thing on the planet. Settled.

Secondly: I really like and enjoy looking at my current watercooled system found here (http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1248&ID=1480) It cools really well even on minimum and its pretty and all i think i will need is a combined extra reservouir/pump seen here (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-011-XS&groupid=962&catid=1845&subcat=).

I dont do the watercooling thing well as its a bit tecnical for me and i honestly cant be arsed to read into it but i assume if i buy that combined pump/reservoir then it will increase the colume and pump strength easily to cope.

Thirdly: This is my PSU - Coolermaster RealPower Pro 850W PSU - 6x 12v Rails, 4x PCI-E Connectors, 13.5cm Fan. Bought it back in 2007 and still going strong but if strongly advised by you guys i will upgrade when i buy my new kit. (Hopefully this wont cause a massive debate just on the PSU again lol)

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Re: HDD

With my first wage i will be replacing the HDD that died in my previous PC, then i will be renting a house with the missues and then with the next wage i may look at getting the rest so for now what HDD would you suggest?

I had bought and had 4 different WD veloceraptor drives and each one died within a day!!! So i am now looking at an SSD.

ATM i have a standard 680i nvidia mobo and obv sata II or even sata III wont benefit me now but if im upgrading my entire system soon should i get a sata III SSD so that when i upgrade it will make a big difference?

OR should i buy a cheap little HDD for now and then get the SSD in a few weeks when there proabbaly cheaper (but maybe not a whole lot)

OR should i get a sata II SSD now as im happy with the current speed of my HDD and a sata II will still be faster than that and good enough (even if not the fastest thing on the planet)

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Re: Graphics card.

I want this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-122-MS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1966

GTX 590.

Is it worth paying the notes for or would the two dual ones you suggested do the job?

I was thinking should it need it in the long future i could buy another GTX 590 to add to this one where as buying two now limits my longevity a little.

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Anyway thanks guys for now.

Really appreciate it :D
 
Just to add to that after reading it back i sound like im flush with cash lol.

Well i am but i have £40,000 worth of student debt so i cant be too wrecless.

My current system is based on the e6580 chip and i still think its pretty nippy, so if i can get a system that is a match of

Speed vs Cost vs Longevity of system

I will be happy.

If i can get a system for £1000 that will do 90% the job of a £1500 rig then so be it, however if you guys honestly think that by spending the extra £500 i can get like you say 24gb of memory then so be it lol. But if im doing that and then no games for the next 10 years are gonna use it then i might as wait and upgrade further later on lol.

I have basically been "out of the loop" in PC tech as i have been happy with my old setup untill now.

But anyway Amir Khan is fighting soon so im gonna go watch the fight. BYE! :D
 
here something part then keeping cost low but keeping option for future upgrades alive.

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail @£161.99
Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard @£149.99
Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit @£49.99
MSI GeForce GTX 460 HAWK "Super-OC" 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card @£129.59
LG BH10LS30 10x BluRay-RW / 16 x DVD±RW Drive - Black (Retail) @£71.99
OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 120GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive @£144.98
Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM - OEM @£79.99
total price = £788.53

but i would strongly suggest changing your psu Corsair HX 850W ATX Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply @£148.99
total price =937.52

mobo will have option for ivybridge cpu when released, blu-ray drive can play 3d films, graphic card can do 3d,phyisx has 1gb of vram well tie you over until the 28nm are released in 2012 as 8800gts will not cut it.
 
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That is freaky....

99% what i was thinking except i have a 8800gts atm i could use for 6 months untill the new GPUs come out.

Also i might go for a Sata III SSD, what you think?
 
i would strongly advise you not to get a GTX 590. they are very very loud, and have a tendancy to become £650 bricks because they overheat. what the GTX 590 is, is two GTX 580's in SLI, but on one card. to manage the heat output (not well enough) they have lowered the clock speed dramatically.

it would be far better to get two 580's rather than 1 590.

both of these builds im suggesting could happily fit in your own case, but i figured suggesting a new case wouldnt hurt, as you dont have to buy it

if you are looking for a budget gaming system with an easy upgrade path to a really good one, then something like this will be great.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £161.99
1 x Asus P8Z68-V Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £129.98
1 x OcUK GeForce GTX 460 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £113.99
1 x OCZ Z-Series 850W '80 Plus Gold' Power Supply £99.98
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £42.98
1 x Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKX) £29.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £26.99
1 x Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3/LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366) £25.99
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
Total : £662.88 (includes shipping : £12.50).


you could even use your 8800GTS instead of the 460, and to save more money

the PSU is major overkill for the rig, but allows any upgrades up to two GTX570's in SLI. it will probably be OK with GTX 580's in SLI too. also, your current PSU is more than enough for this, and could be used instead of the OCZ, then replaced when you do a big upgrade


however, if your willing to spend a lot, then you could go for something like this:


YOUR BASKET
2 x MSI GeForce GTX 570 OC Twin FrozR III Power Edition 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £254.99 (£509.98)
1 x Crucial RealSSD M4 128GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive £173.99
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £161.99
1 x Silverstone Raven 2 RV02W-EW Evolution Windowed Case - White £155.99
1 x Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £144.98
1 x OCZ Z-Series 850W '80 Plus Gold' Power Supply £99.98
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £49.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) £41.99
1 x Akasa AK-CCX-4002HP Venom CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM3) £38.99
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
Total : £1,410.36 (includes shipping : £13.75).

you could happily back this down to 1 570 and no SSD and then make the SSD + 2nd graphics card your next upgrade if you want
 
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I think i will keep my current 850W PSU, like my dad says if it aint broke dont fix it lol and its still going strong atm.

Also i would bend to your (clearly) superior knowledge and go for the i5 2500k with the Asrock Mobo.

However the only thing that bugs me is the SSD, questions here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18299243

Should i splash out on sata III or not?

Other than that i just need watercooled accessories for the RAM and CPU and GPU, how much would they be for the second setup you quoted?

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