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Help me Decide

KLM

KLM

KLM

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I have been frustrating over these two choices.

5800x and x570 tomahawk @ £638

or

i7-10700k and z490 tomahawk @ £515.

purely for gaming

I have actually ordered the x570 but it hasn't arrived so I could simply change my order.

I am looking for value for money(the 5800 might be quicker but is it £100 quicker)

kind regards
 
My current system is in my sig, the existing board/cpu/ram/gfx are going into another machine I am putting together for one of my children for xmas.

I have already bought 32gb of corsair dd4 3200mhz ram for my new system, I could have gone for 3600 but again value for money suggested tighter timing 3200 at £40 less was a more frugal choice.
 
It seems a lot of advise lately is towards Ryzen.
Convinced me to go for my first Ryzen build.

Ive decided to take a chance, give them a try. 3xxx seemed to be pretty close, 5xxx seems like it may have an edge.
 
I would say wait until the 5th Nov for reviews.

Also you could easily save £50 on the board by going with the B550 Tomahawk or B550 Gaming Edge if you end up going Ryzen.
 
If it was me in this current climate I would be going towards more to save money as much as possible. Both of them builds would be good builds though with that cpu/board config. :) If you can save money by going the Ryzen I would be sure to go that route though. AMD seem to be doing well.
 
that X570 tomahawk is expensive for what it is especially running 8c CPU. you can get cheaper board (around £50 cheaper) that does the same thing. then you will see that price differential from ryxen to intel being small.

Thus you ask the question
AMD package - faster CPU & PCIe4
Intel Package - £50 cheaper and slower and lack of PCIe4

similarly if you want to insist on having the X570 tomahawk, you can go with Ryzen 3700x or 3800x (£260 atm)

so that AMD package will be £50 cheaper than intel - so you ask, ok I loose average 10% gaming performance on Ryzen but I have an in socket upgrade path to a processor that will be the fastest gaming CPU and also i got PCIe4. so is that better value for me.

issues with intel platform is that it is a dead end, and dont have future tech support and cant support in socket upgrade
 
pc-guy said:
so that AMD package will be £50 cheaper than intel - so you ask, ok I loose average 10% gaming performance on Ryzen but I have an in socket upgrade path to a processor that will be the fastest gaming CPU and also i got PCIe4. so is that better value for me.
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This is a good point - from an upgrade path you know you have options to upgrade in the future. If you get a system that you can't really upgrade then it's going to be another cost next time around.
 
pc-guy said:
issues with intel platform is that it is a dead end, and dont have future tech support and cant support in socket upgrade
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Doesn't the current platform also support Rocket Lake which is due next March or so?
That is a new architecture and will add PCIe 4 support to current boards.

I would still generally recommend Ryzen but let's still at least get the basic facts right.
 
Isnt the ryzen 5000 series the last cpu on the current socket ? and as the poster above has pointed out, intel roll out pcie4 in march with rocket-lake on the current z490chipset ? Which for me is kinda irrelevant as pcie4 isn't at the forefront of my thinking. but one way or another I would be on pcie4 some time next year with either system.

My concern is that I have to do this before xmas and I am getting the feeling that the 5800x might not be £428 when I come to buy it. but still, I tend to get at least 3-4 years from my systems before handing them down.

on a side note, 32gb (2x16)corsair vengeance pro 3200 cl16 @£125 or 32gb(2x16) corsair vengeance pro 3600cl18 @£150 ?
 
KLM said:
Isnt the ryzen 5000 series the last cpu on the current socket ? and as the poster above has pointed out, intel roll out pcie4 in march with rocket-lake on the current z490chipset ? Which for me is kinda irrelevant as pcie4 isn't at the forefront of my thinking. but one way or another I would be on pcie4 some time next year with either system.

My concern is that I have to do this before xmas and I am getting the feeling that the 5800x might not be £428 when I come to buy it. but still, I tend to get at least 3-4 years from my systems before handing them down.

on a side note, 32gb (2x16)corsair vengeance pro 3200 cl16 @£125 or 32gb(2x16) corsair vengeance pro 3600cl18 @£150 ?
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3600 is a must, then the lowest latency you can afford.

You listed one with a latency of 18, there are 14 kits out there.
 
Not for £150, I am not after the quickest of everything I am after a bang for buck upgrade. The price difference between the 2 systems in my op is £120 , now I also plan on buying a new gfx card either nv or amd which ever is best bang4buck but just for interesting comparison and baring in mind how often I upgrade, say every 4 years ,

what would be better for gaming

i7-10700k + rtx3080 or a ryzen 5800x + rtz 3070 if everything was at rrp :)
 
Similar dilemma myself.

AMD are saying the price to performance with the 10700k vs 5800x is a tie. So if you are happy with the performance of the 10700 you could spend less.

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smilingcrow said:
Doesn't the current platform also support Rocket Lake which is due next March or so?
That is a new architecture and will add PCIe 4 support to current boards.

I would still generally recommend Ryzen but let's still at least get the basic facts right.
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not sure about intel's support and "baked in" pcie4 support.
 
KLM said:
Not for £150, I am not after the quickest of everything I am after a bang for buck upgrade. The price difference between the 2 systems in my op is £120 , now I also plan on buying a new gfx card either nv or amd which ever is best bang4buck but just for interesting comparison and baring in mind how often I upgrade, say every 4 years ,

what would be better for gaming

i7-10700k + rtx3080 or a ryzen 5800x + rtz 3070 if everything was at rrp :)
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10700k and 3080 would give you better fps in gaming by a good margin, depending on resolution of course.
 
So I have decided to make use of msi cashback and have bought the intel system in the op. £525 free delivery with £45 cashback from msi, £480 in total. I think coming from what I currently have, that is a quite good bang for buck upgrade. I will use the saving to put toward getting a rtx3080 or amd equivalent.
 
pc-guy said:
not sure about intel's support and "baked in" pcie4 support.
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That info is general knowledge in the tech world.
If you are that out of the loop maybe consider not commenting on subjects you are ignorant about!

It reminds me of all the ignoramuses who wrongly state that Intel change socket/platform every year.
They do so more frequently than AMD but it's usually every two years.
Jesus, how difficult is it to follow basic facts.
But, we seem to live in the era of fake news.
 
smilingcrow said:
That info is general knowledge in the tech world.
If you are that out of the loop maybe consider not commenting on subjects you are ignorant about!

It reminds me of all the ignoramuses who wrongly state that Intel change socket/platform every year.
They do so more frequently than AMD but it's usually every two years.
Jesus, how difficult is it to follow basic facts.
But, we seem to live in the era of fake news.
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lol, easy there. did i touch a nerve. ok INTEL IS GREAT...let's all bow to INTEL's awesomeness and consumer freindliness

anyway the point is that Intel said LGA1200 will support future CPUs, i am a skeptic until there is a definitive list of CPUs they said they will support on Z490 boards. So we wont know till March 2021. Intel doesn't exactly have the best track record on this front. so I think being overly cuatious is a fair position to take on this matter.

Baked in PCIe4 is all fair and well on paper. lets see what that actually means in reality. how do you bake in PCB and circuitory design without actually knowing your chips IO specification? at least X570 chipset came out with the Zen2 design and chips made in good quantitie at testing phase so things are meant to work flawlessly. when Z490 chips were being made, Intel didnt even plan on having PCIe4...so how does that even work. X470 dont support PCIe4...

take a chill pill mate and stop buying into marketign BS and go hopping mad about stuff that no one knows for sure.
 
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