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Help me Decide

Purely for gaming, on a budget? "I am after a bang for buck upgrade." How about the 3600 and Gaming Edge Wifi + MSI cash back = £300 on the nose.

A saving of between £215 and £338 on the options in the original post.
Invest that saving in a better GPU and it WILL game better than the 5800X or 10700k with a £300 cheaper GPU.
 
qweezy said:
But what about gaming? If the numbers were that impressive then why didn't AMD include them on the presentation?
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there are 2 discussion threads about this. no point of starting another one and diverging off the course of OP's original point of discussion.

the short answer to your quesiton is that they probably dont have time nor have the will to do every SKU comparison. AMD will be called out in comparing 5800x against 10700k cos people will say, hang on it is $$$ vs $$ not fair etc. so the best they can do in a fair way is to compare top sku vs top sku in a normalised way ie 5900x (12c) vs 10900k (10c). i think AMD has done fair here, if it is intel they would have used the 5950x to blow the 10900k out of the water, as they will just go straight to their best SKU vs AMD's best SKU regardless of price, core etc.
 
KLM said:
They did, at 1080 the 5800x vs 10700k was a tie
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you must have watched a different presentation than the one i watched.

the one i watched was 5900x vs 10900k...and that wasnt a tie...average across 10 titles were 10% increased performance against intel with some of the popular titles where Intel used to be king of FPS falling some 20% behind against AMD.
 
qweezy said:
But what about gaming? If the numbers were that impressive then why didn't AMD include them on the presentation?
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I was talking about gaming but you're right. These two products weren't compared against each other in the presentation. It was the i9 Vs R9 which they talked about and AMD had a core count advantage.

AMD was 26% higher multicore perf but had 20% more cores. So the difference would be 6% in an equal number of cores.

Therefore, the 5800X would only be about 6% faster than the 10700K. Not worth it for £100 but AMD have the B550 boards which would close the price gap a bit.
 
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pc-guy said:
there are 2 discussion threads about this. no point of starting another one and diverging off the course of OP's original point of discussion.

the short answer to your quesiton is that they probably dont have time nor have the will to do every SKU comparison. AMD will be called out in comparing 5800x against 10700k cos people will say, hang on it is $$$ vs $$ not fair etc. so the best they can do in a fair way is to compare top sku vs top sku in a normalised way ie 5900x (12c) vs 10900k (10c). i think AMD has done fair here, if it is intel they would have used the 5950x to blow the 10900k out of the water, as they will just go straight to their best SKU vs AMD's best SKU regardless of price, core etc.
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Sorry, but my post is entirely on topic. The relevance of the presentation is that AMD have decided not to include any FPS numbers for games and to only show that the 10700x vs 5800x is a tie in terms of 1080p performance per dollar.

So OP looks to have made the right decision with the 10700k for less £.
 
pc-guy said:
issues with intel platform is that it is a dead end, and dont have future tech support and cant support in socket upgrade
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pc-guy said:
i am a skeptic until there is a definitive list of CPUs they said they will support on Z490 boards.
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Why not just say that you are a skeptic in the first place which is perfectly valid in my eyes.
You stated it as fact which is plain wrong and not helpful when giving advice.
People want facts not unqualified opinions which go against the facts available at the time.
You were unhelpful.
 
qweezy said:
Sorry, but my post is entirely on topic. The relevance of the presentation is that AMD have decided not to include any FPS numbers for games and to only show that the 10700x vs 5800x is a tie in terms of 1080p performance per dollar.

So OP looks to have made the right decision with the 10700k for less £.
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it is interesting tho, completely off course myself here

intel system and platform were never about £/frame just some 3 months ago and always about best possible gaming cpu. now I am seeing a lot of discussion about £/frame for intel system when there is Zen 2 systems that are even BETTER for £/frame.

the mind boggles at this level of hypocracy...
 
smilingcrow said:
Why not just say that you are a skeptic in the first place which is perfectly valid in my eyes.
You stated it as fact which is plain wrong and not helpful when giving advice.
People want facts not unqualified opinions which go against the facts available at the time.
You were unhelpful.
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ok fair enough, i will give you that. should have been clearer at the beginning.

but dont go bang about intel support and baked in pcie tech like it is a sure thing. you also should have qualified your statements as "rumoured" "unconfirmed" information.

the way you were going at it like it was written in stone and it was good as gold. last time i checked, no one has a time machine yet to be able to tell what the future is.
 
I would have loved to have waited until the 5800x released as I'm neither loyal to any brand, but msi cashback offer ends on the 31st and with the way prices are now going with new releases and existing line ups, I just know my luck:) , and I could foresee, rightly or wrongly that I would end up paying more for either systems in a couple of weeks.

I think I have done well getting what I have for the price and I know it will last me 3-4 years
 
you will be fine wiht it for at least 3 years. but after that who knows what games and what technology nvidia or amd or MS or game dev will bring and reduce these new systems to a pile of junk :D
 
I know that my next upgrade will be board/cpu/ram again. by which time my other kids pc will need upgrading, she is on my old i5-2500k/gtx1070 system. Also that 10700k has gone up £10 since 7.30 this morning.
 
KLM said:
I know that my next upgrade will be board/cpu/ram again. by which time my other kids pc will need upgrading, she is on my old i5-2500k/gtx1070 system. Also that 10700k has gone up £10 since 7.30 this morning.
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ya i noticed and used parts are selling at stupid high level especially on the GPU front. the only thing that is dropping in price is 3200MHz ram and 1TB NVMe drives...

even motherboards have gone up in prices at some retailers.

scams i tell ya. all these price creeps before sales.
 
I read somewhere earlier this year that out of 2000 different products on sale on black Friday a very large percentage had been cheaper at some other point in the year.
 
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