Help with £2500 basket

Most games will probably see zero difference but the ones I mentioned see decent benefits.

No idea whether the OP will do anything but game but I'm there should be some benefits with some programs.

Wouldn't it be nice to think that if some games or apps (now or in the future) benefit from it that you got the extra performance for free?
 
Thanks for all the posts guys, have tweaked again based on the RAM discussion above.

I appreciate the views on the screens and understand that the ROG Swift is expensive for what it is. I am being unrealistic by trying to get 1440p @ 120Hz? Worth waiting for more screens to come to the market?

Edit: Those 290X in Crossfire are tempting, what are peoples thoughts on the new Nvidia 980 just around the corner?

YOUR BASKET
1 x KFA2 Geforce GTX 780Ti HOF+ 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card - Retail (78INH5DV8PXZ) £479.99
1 x Asus PB278Q 27" Professional LED Multimedia Monitor - Black £399.95
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7 - Devils Canyon Core i7 4790K CPU & Motherboard Bundle **£43 Saving** £355.98
1 x Corsair Vengeance Pro Red 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R) £161.99
2 x Crucial MX100 512GB SATA 2.5” 7mm SSD + 9.5mm Adapter CT512MX100SSD1) £144.98 (£289.96)
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060009-WW) £88.00
1 x SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 650W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £83.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £74.99
1 x Roccat Kone XTD 8200 DPI Gaming Mouse (ROC-11-810) £59.99
Total : £2,146.46 (includes shipping : £22.20).

 
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1) Wait until next week as the new Geforce 980 is expected to be out then. Then either get it or you'll likely be able to pick up a 780 on the cheap.

3) Get Windows 8.1 IMO as that'll get you a free/reduced upgrade to Windows 9 next April. Finally, by popular demand, MS are bringing back the start menu!

4) Mouse/Keyboard. Personally I'd have either a Logitech MX performance mouse or possibly a wired Zowie FK if you're really into gaming. Keyboard I normally go for 10-key less designs (without the numpad). No real brand preference. I've been using a cheapo emprex one for the last 2 years!

5) Case wise I'm planning on going for a Corsair Air 540. Looks sweet IMO and some of the custom water cooled builds by OCUK members are amazeballs.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18527343&highlight=air&page=37

You build specs look good. Might be worth swapping out the DVD for a Blu-Ray in case you ever fancy watching movies on it?
 
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Yes I should have advised waiting for GPU too as that's what I'm doing.

Buy all the other stuff first, set it up and when it's time, order the card.
 
almighty15 said:
1440p at 120Hz is a lot to ask of any graphics set-up, there's games where even Quad-SLI Titans won't manage.

1440p at 60Hz is plenty good enough.
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You don't need to be pushing out 120+fps to get a ton of benefits over a 60Hz panel especially if your using a g-sync capable monitor (which does need an nVidia GPU).

Obviously theres a bigger benefit if you can hold 120+fps solid.
 
120Hz with V-sync off is pointless, G-sync is overpriced and a waste of time. If you can't hold a solid 120fps then 120hz is a waste of money and gpu frame time.

You have to remember that the OP is moving from consoles so anything is going to be huge leap over what he's used too.

He's best off ditching that stupidly overpriced monitor, buying a 60Hz one and running dual graphics cards.

He will get much more enjoyment from that then he ever will out a single 780ti and G-sync monitor.
 
This is what I would be buying with £2500 to spend [with your case, not my choice], or I would be kicking myself for spending so much and having not bought in to the most recent cpu architecture.

Same with the ram, might as well get DDR4 now.

You need sli/crossfire, and prices are so good atm not to.

Anyway, on with the show.

YOUR BASKET
1 x LG Flatron 34UM95-P 34" WideScreen Super-Wide LED Monitor £769.99
1 x Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - OEM (CM8064801548435) £293.99
2 x Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (11227-00-40G) £269.99 (£539.98)
1 x Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit (BLS4K4G4D240FSA) £179.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-UD4 Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £167.99
1 x Crucial MX100 512GB SATA 2.5” 7mm SSD + 9.5mm Adapter CT512MX100SSD1) £144.98
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
1 x SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 850W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £97.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060009-WW) £88.00
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £74.99
Total : £2,482.88 (includes shipping : ).




Epic.
 
No reason to go X99 for the OP's uses, only if he IS going to use the extra cores/thread would he need to go that way. He's not video editing or rendering so he won't be using them.

Beside the extra cores the 4790k is a better value gaming CPU in many ways, especially as the 5820k limits the Xfire bandwidth to x16/x8 aswell..

For the money, id also look at getting 2 x 290X's in there, as they are VERY good value at the moment.

I think we need to rethink the monitor too, Just a standard 1440p monitor will be more than fine. No need for £500+ Super monitors which will test you rig (or your) eyes) to destruction (blatant over-exaggeration).

YOUR BASKET
1 x Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 295 X2 8192MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £729.95
1 x EPIC POWER BUNDLE: Intel 4790K, Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7, Kingston 16GB 2400MHz Kit, Superflower 1000W Platinum PSU & FREE STUFF!! **£50 SAVING** £625.97
1 x Acer K272HUL 27" Widescreen LED Gaming Slim Bezel Flicker FREE Monitor - Black £299.99
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060009-WW) £88
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £74.99
1 x Crucial MX100 256GB SATA 2.5” 7mm SSD + 9.5mm Adapter (CT256MX100SSD1) £74.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £56.99
Total : £2,099.98 (includes shipping : £20.10).



Well under budget but a VERY good shout. :)
 
Again, thanks for all of the help, I really like doomed build above. The only thing I would change is to go full SSD, as I already have a 2TB I can use.

Rookie question regarding the monitor discussion, can a 1440p monitor be run at 1080p? The same way a TV can take a 1080 or 720p input?

I am just thinking that 1440p looks great quality wise, but if I wanted high frames for say CounterStrike, my frames would be locked at 60FPS due to almost all of the 1440p monitors being 60Hz?

Apologies if that is a stupid question! I really appreciate everyones input! :)
 
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I don't think it is a good shout at all.. Change the absolutly bloody awesome LG to your petty Acer, and what is the price difference???

Mine would come in at £2140 with the acer...compared to your £2099

You seriously would not go for x99 for £40 more? Bonkers.

I know an extra £200 has gone on the x295, but the real steals are the 290's! Not 290s's, nor x295... which he might have throttling problems with anyway.

Two 290's run the LG great, its not like its 4k or anything.



Op's choice of course. :)

Edit: But dude, come on, you are spending 2.5 k here, you want something special! Think special my friend... There is no reason to not go x99 now, it is a couple of hundred extra that can we tweaked out with budgeting other things a weeny bit.

Oh, did I mention how awesome the monitor is?
 
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I'd consider the games you play and potential uses before plumping for x99.

If I wasn't forced into z97 by my mobo I would have been in a quandary and I use lightroom, photoshop and premiere pro plus most of the games I intend to play are CPU heavy.

I believe that when 6 cores are genuinely useful for gaming that better stuff will be available... It's how I make myself feel better anyway :)
 
It's how I make myself feel better anyway
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Quite! Just admit that you wish you had the x99, its okay, we are all men here.


Tbh, if he wants the sensible version there is not much point in spending so much money in the first place, go for the i5 etc etc, blah blah.
 
LackyT said:
Again, thanks for all of the help, I really like doomed build above. The only thing I would change is to go full SSD, as I already have a 2TB I can use.

Rookie question regarding the monitor discussion, can a 1440p monitor be run at 1080p? The same way a TV can take a 1080 or 720p input?

I am just thinking that 1440p looks great quality wise, but if I wanted high frames for say CounterStrike, my frames would be locked at 60FPS due to almost all of the 1440p monitors being 60Hz?

Apologies if that is a stupid question! I really appreciate everyones input! :)
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You can run with vsync off but you would get visual tearing and the screen would still be displaying 60fps of information though it would be a bit more responsive to input.

You can run most panels at various resolutions between 640x480 and their native resolution but you would get a slightly blurry image if you used the whole screen for lower resolutions due to not perfectly matching the pixels or a smaller image if you forced 1:1 pixel matching. (You can't usually run at higher refresh rates at lower resolution as normally you'd be limited still to 60Hz though there are 1-2 panels that will manage 75Hz).

If your going to be spending any considerable amount of time playing CS other than casually do not go for a 60Hz panel.

EDIT: Problem is there is no perfect compromise with monitors at the moment hence why I currently have 2560x1440 60Hz IPS, 3840x2160 60Hz TN and 1920x1080 120Hz TN panels on my desk - though if it wasn't for 1-2 issues and the perception of paying for the ROG branding I'd replace 2 of them with the Asus in a heatbeat.
 
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Threepwood said:
Quite! Just admit that you wish you had the x99, its okay, we are all men here.


Tbh, if he wants the sensible version there is not much point in spending so much money in the first place, go for the i5 etc etc, blah blah.
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Apart from the women of course.

Doubt I would have gone x99 anyway, regardless of form factor as a combination of single core performance and budget.

No point in recommending a slower 6 core system to someone who would benefit more from 4 faster cores... This is me by the way, I can't help wishing for 6 cores of 4790k but if I had 6 I would want 8...
 
Threepwood said:
I don't think it is a good shout at all.. Change the absolutly bloody awesome LG to your petty Acer, and what is the price difference???

Mine would come in at £2140 with the acer...compared to your £2099

You seriously would not go for x99 for £40 more? Bonkers.

I know an extra £200 has gone on the x295, but the real steals are the 290's! Not 290s's, nor x295... which he might have throttling problems with anyway.

Two 290's run the LG great, its not like its 4k or anything.



Op's choice of course. :)

Edit: But dude, come on, you are spending 2.5 k here, you want something special! Think special my friend... There is no reason to not go x99 now, it is a couple of hundred extra that can we tweaked out with budgeting other things a weeny bit.

Oh, did I mention how awesome the monitor is?
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In a lot of gaming benchmarks the 5820k actually performs worse than the 4790k. Due to the clock speed difference. The overclocking on the 5820k is supposedly poor aswell, so at @4.5ghz the 4790k will tear through the 5820k (most reviewers struggle to get it to 4.3ghz)

DDR4 isn't much of an improvment over DDR3 in its current state to warrant the outlay either.

I think the monitor is a good call. 1440p is 1440p, The extra £400+ is for widescreen, which seems mad to me.

The 295x2 is basically 290X Xfire Watercooled.. So obvoiusly outperforms 290 Xfire and will be cooler and quieter.. Well worth the extra £'s.

This rig still is special. Have 6 cores doesn't make it any more special, unless you'll use them.

Feel free to agrue with me.

@OP: Yeah 60FPS at 1440p will stilllook class, getting 1440p at 144hz a tough feat, possibly managable by the 295x2 but still tough. If you did want a better monitor the Swift isn't a bad shout, shame you'd have to opt for 2 x 780's over the 295x2 due to Gsync though.. :(

Or you can go for a 1080p 144hz monitor they are awesome and just as cheap. YOu could also run it off a single 290(X) too.. So more money saved. :)

Any questions OP?
 
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Doomedspeed said:
@OP: Yeah 60FPS at 1440p will stilllook class, getting 1440p at 144hz a tough feat, possibly managable by the 295x2 but still tough. If you did want a better monitor the Swift isn't a bad shout, shame you'd have to opt for 2 x 780's over the 295x2 due to Gsync though.. :(

Or you can go for a 1080p 144hz monitor they are awesome and just as cheap. YOu could also run it off a single 290(X) too.. So more money saved. :)

Any questions OP?
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Thanks for all the info guys :)

Let me weigh up my options monitor wise:
  1. ROG Swift 1440p @ 144Hz - Probably wait to see the new GTX 980?
  2. Either the Asus or LG 1440p @ 60Hz - Run the Crossfire 295's and forget about frames :P
  3. Something like the BenQ XL2720Z - 1080p @ 144Hz - Still run 2 GPU's (Can run Nvidia or AMD?) and wait until more 1440p monitors come onto the market and upgrade my monitor to 1440p knowing that my rig is set

Last but not least the case, the Corsair Obsidian seems a bit bland. As mentioned previously the NZXT cases look good, any recommendations there?

Thanks again for all of the help!

YOUR BASKET
1 x Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 295 X2 8192MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £729.95
1 x EPIC POWER BUNDLE: Intel 4790K, Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7, Kingston 16GB 2400MHz Kit, Superflower 1000W Platinum PSU & FREE STUFF!! **£50 SAVING** £625.97
1 x BenQ XL2720Z 27" TRUE 144Hz 3D Vision 2.0 Widescreen LED Monitor - Black/Red £349.99
1 x Roccat Ryos MK Pro Mechanical Keyboard - Black Keys (ROC-12-852-BK) £149.99
2 x Crucial MX100 512GB SATA 2.5” 7mm SSD + 9.5mm Adapter CT512MX100SSD1) £144.98 (£289.96)
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060009-WW) £88.00
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £74.99
1 x Roccat Kone XTD 8200 DPI Gaming Mouse (ROC-11-810) £59.99
Total : £2,520.47 (includes shipping : £22.20).

 
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