Help with a first build for work

[morro19]

To be honest, if they do the job and they have a warranty its okay yes. I am looking to order within the next few days. However, if they are genuinely more likely to fail then no.

 

[Potty27]

By the way that mobo wont work with that CPU.

 

[honosuseri]

Here's hoping I have this right.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £249.95
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 650Ti OC Boost Black Knight 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £134.99
1 x Asus P8Z77-V LX2 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £79.99
1 x Plextor M5S 128GB Solid State Drive - (PX-128M5S) £79.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G160C9K) £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £48.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 200R Compact ATX Case - Black £47.95
1 x Edifier M1370 2.1 Speaker System - Black £23.99
1 x LG GH24NS95 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £19.99
1 x Gigabyte KM6150 Keyboard and Mouse Set £9.98
Total : £759.88 (includes shipping : £11.75).



I know I am missing windows, and a power supply. I was just wondering, if it were you, which components in my build would you sacrifice.

Would I notice the shift down to an i5 more than a shift down in the graphics card / motherboard?

Also, post build how easy would it be to upgrade a graphics card if needed? As I am leaning towards sacrificing that.

The Haswell CPU doesn't work on that mobo fella. As that i7 isn't a "K" you don't need a Z series mobo you can use the B85 I spec'd before.

GPUs are a drop in upgrade fella. Not hard to do at all, the system will have integrated graphics so you don't need one as such, just add one if you feel it necessary later

 

[Potty27]

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £249.95
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-02050) £83.99
1 x Plextor M5S 128GB Solid State Drive - (PX-128M5S) £79.99
1 x MSI HD 7750 2048MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £74.99
1 x MSI B85-G43 Intel B85 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £68.99
1 x OCZ ZS Series 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £49.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G160C9K) £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £48.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 200R Compact ATX Case - Black £47.95
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
1 x Creative A60 2.0 Speaker System (51MF1635AA001) £14.99
1 x Gigabyte K7100 Stylish Keyboard £10.99
1 x Gigabyte M6800 1600DPI Gaming Mouse £8.99
Total : £820.85 (includes shipping : £11.75).



Bit less GPU power, but retains the i7 etc, best I can come up with, unless you sacrifice CPU power for GPU power.

No B Grade items

 

[Potty27]

Don;t think I missed anything, but I may well have done!

 

[morro19]

How would the system function with no graphics card at all? would that play football manager? I'm probably better off with a cheaper one over none at all I suppose.

Also, I am definitely going to go with the:
Gigabyte KM6150 Keyboard and Mouse Set £9.98

It makes the build a little cheaper and if I have any issues with it I can always upgrade that with ease from my own pocket. With the difference, I'll get the 2.1 speakers

Honosuseri, if you don't mind my asking, what do you think of the most recent potty build?

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

From personal experience and reading reviews, I'd not want to touch cheap 2.1's, cheap 2.0 speakers can sound a bit tinny, but I'd rather that than Tinny with a lot of bass.

I've always found Creative speakers to be reasonable anyway.

No offence either way though mate, I'm happy to agree to disagree.

I can whole heartedly recommend JBL Creature Speakers. They are 2.1 speakers as requested and they sound excellent - not tinny and one can adjust the bass and treble.

We have two sets (the Creature IIs and the Creature IIIs). We have had the Creature IIs about 3 years and they are still performing exactly the same as the day we bought them.

They might not be massively cheap, but they are blooming good for the price.

 

[honosuseri]

Honosuseri, if you don't mind my asking, what do you think of the most recent potty build?

Not much really fella. OCZ PSUs are known to have pretty loud fans. The 7750 isn't really worth a rub. I bought a Nvidia 1GB 460 from here almost two years ago (still has a years warranty left on it) for £100. It still soundly spanks the 7750 (see HERE), to add insult to injury my 460 came clocked out the box @763Mhz which is faster than what was used in that benchmark. I've OC'd it further to 850Mhz and it's still doing me more than fine and my gaming habit seems to be worse than yours lol

If you are clever with your cash and get the right parts and balance things well, the rig can do you for a very long time for all sorts of uses

It might be best to do a build minus the gaming GPU. See how you get on with the CPUs integrated graphics, Haswell has an improved IGP over sandy and Ivy. I've seen 460s go for £50ish on our members market 2nd hand, if you are parting with your own cash that's still not bad at all for the money. You could buy a new GPU yourself, if it comes with games you can either keep them or flog them off to help pay for the upgrade.

 

[Potty27]

How would the system function with no graphics card at all?

I don't understand? That spec includes a ATI 7750

 

[Potty27]

They might not be massively cheap, but they are blooming good for the price.

That's the thing really, for under £20 I cant see any 2.1's being much good.

The reviews for creatures seem very good.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

That's the thing really, for under £20 I cant see any 2.1's being much good.

The reviews for creatures seem very good.

From our experience, we originally purchased some Logitech 2.1 speakers for approximately £30 a few years ago, as we thought that these would be good enough. However, they were terrible - they distorted very easily. This was after owning the Creature IIs so maybe that didn't help - having something so good to compare the Logitechs to.

We then got the Creature IIIs instead and they were so, so much better. I can't say they are a massive improvement over the IIs, but I think they were a very similar price anyway.

 

[morro19]

It might be best to do a build minus the gaming GPU. See how you get on with the CPUs integrated graphics, Haswell has an improved IGP over sandy and Ivy. I've seen 460s go for £50ish on our members market 2nd hand, if you are parting with your own cash that's still not bad at all for the money. You could buy a new GPU yourself, if it comes with games you can either keep them or flog them off to help pay for the upgrade.

I think this may be the way forward, with the integrated graphics, will the 3D match engine on football manager function? Or does anything 3D need an added card?

Which Power supply would you recommend?

 

[morro19]

We then got the Creature IIIs instead and they were so, so much better. I can't say they are a massive improvement over the IIs, but I think they were a very similar price anyway.

Do you have a link. To be honest though, speakers aren't a massive issue. I just need sound for e-conferences/ lectures.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

I think this may be the way forward, with the integrated graphics, will the 3D match engine on football manager function? Or does anything 3D need an added card?

Which Power supply would you recommend?

It will, but quite a bit slower than a GPU. This is somewhat subjective though. I would try without first and see what you think .

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

Do you have a link. To be honest though, speakers aren't a massive issue. I just need sound for e-conferences/ lectures.

OcUK don't sell them and it is against the forum rules to post competitor links. Just go to 'the big A' and type in Creature III - I'm sure you'll find them .

 

[honosuseri]

I think this may be the way forward, with the integrated graphics, will the 3D match engine on football manager function? Or does anything 3D need an added card?

Which Power supply would you recommend?

Yeah I think it would cope ok with that fella......

Haswell IGP is running on the right

Cheapest PSU I'd buy would be the XFX 450W which is made by Seasonic (ie its very good). Ideally I'd like a semi-modular PSU, so something like the Corsair CX500M

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

Cheapest PSU I'd buy would be the XFX 450W which is made by Seasonic (ie its very good). Ideally I'd like a semi-modular PSU, so something like the Corsair CX500M

+1

 

[honosuseri]

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £275.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87-D3HP Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99
1 x Samsung 120GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE120BW) £86.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £74.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual CHannel Kit (PV38G213C1K) £65.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 500w Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020059-UK) £54.98
1 x Corsair Carbide 200R Compact ATX Case - Black £47.95
1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £29.99
1 x Edifier M1370 2.1 Speaker System - Black £23.99
1 x LG GH24NS95 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £19.99
1 x Gigabyte KM6150 Keyboard and Mouse Set £9.98
Total : £822.25 (includes shipping : £17.85).



That's what I'd "Milk" them for and add a OS (there is a free 3 month trial of windows 8.1 you can use) and maybe the GPU I wanted out of my own pocket, although I'm sure the IGP will do you just fine really.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £275.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87-HD3 Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £99.95
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-02050) £83.99
1 x Plextor M5S 128GB Solid State Drive - (PX-128M5S) £79.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual CHannel Kit (PV38G213C1K) £65.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 500w Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020059-UK) £54.98
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £48.95
1 x Corsair Carbide 200R Compact ATX Case - Black £47.95
1 x Edifier M1370 2.1 Speaker System - Black £23.99
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
1 x Gigabyte KM6150 Keyboard and Mouse Set £9.98
Total : £823.75 (includes shipping : £12.50).



Includes the OS but it's 75P over. I'm sure you can alter the spec slightly with a cheaper case or change the PSU etc. Prices change so it's just to give you an idea.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

You could save a bit of money and get a 4670K over the 4770K. You won't really notice the difference in games.

 

[honosuseri]

You could save a bit of money and get a 4670K over the 4770K. You won't really notice the difference in games.

It is a work machine technically, no doubt that's why he doesn't want "Gaming mouse" in the spec The i5K is plenty good enough but I have a feeling his software could well make use of the Hyperthreading on the i7