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Speak to your landlord.
Help with a house mate from hell.
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Just get out, or if you own the place get them out.
Its not worth it.
If you can afford it, get a 1 bed with your Mrs. You wont look back.
Its not worth it.
If you can afford it, get a 1 bed with your Mrs. You wont look back.
No, it's 3 or 4 nights. Yes, there is a difference between staying over 50% of the time and living there. I'm not saying it is the same, but spending that amount of time in a house is relying on it being there. Someone is going to paying one way or another. I wouldn't be happy with someone I wasn't even connected to, staying over in my house 50% of the time and not paying anything.
While i agree about the whole someone being an adult there is a difference between someone living in a house and someone just staying over. If Dave would back up the claims then you have 2/3 of the people renting the house on side.
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This is why I don't miss house sharing. So many ridiculous arguments and i hate awkward living arrangements.
If the rent is 800 pcm and the bills are 200 pcm do a ratio
400 each rent
80 bills for you 60 each for them. Sounds fair. You are still 20 better off and generally you won't see much difference in bills with another person living there. electricity and gas and water might go up a bit. Unless they are over using things like heating. You could work it out so that you pay less over all and so does the other tenant.
If the rent is 800 pcm and the bills are 200 pcm do a ratio
400 each rent
80 bills for you 60 each for them. Sounds fair. You are still 20 better off and generally you won't see much difference in bills with another person living there. electricity and gas and water might go up a bit. Unless they are over using things like heating. You could work it out so that you pay less over all and so does the other tenant.
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It seems that Dave isn't backing up the claims, which is what concerns me... the OP appears to be in the right but that doesn't sit with it.
So........ is this Hattie hot?
She sounds like a total nutjob, do not want.
Starts a fight with someone twice her size, doesn't get her satisfaction from physically abuse so runs off to turn on the waterworks and twist it round the other way.
Then starts being petty, slamming around and generally being a bell end.
Sounds like a total **** to me, I'd happily see her slung out on the street for her behaviour.
"House meeting! House meeting!" (from an 80's sitcom)
Anyway, you all need to sit down and decide who's moving out, because it clearly isn't working and i don't think there's hope of bringing this back now - assaults etc.
On a side note, why haven't you called the police to make a complaint of assault? If anything, it will help you should she make a complaint against you ie you got there first.
Anyway, you all need to sit down and decide who's moving out, because it clearly isn't working and i don't think there's hope of bringing this back now - assaults etc.
On a side note, why haven't you called the police to make a complaint of assault? If anything, it will help you should she make a complaint against you ie you got there first.
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If you have a guest staying over in a sharing environment that is making use of the house then they the tenant would have to increase his share who has the guest. Whether that tenants wants to ask his guest to contribute is his business.
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Im not 100% but if he has been paying you money to stay then I think he may have some entitlement?!
You would be best of speaking with CAB!
You would be best of speaking with CAB!
You need to speak to Dave and get him to be actively onside before taking action through the landlord, otherwise it'll just be your word against hers.
I'm not sure if they would kick her out though, usually you have to find a replacement tenant and get her to sign over the contract.
On another note, if I was your flatmate and your gf was around 4 nights a week I would be pretty ******. If she's spending that much time in the house then I would expect some contribution towards food / bills (not much but at least a token of acknowledging that being around so much is taking the pee).
A lot of houseshare problems come down to the feeling that one couple is taking over the house, you probably both feel that way towards each other.
The whole fridge is mine is petty though, you can't seriously expect her to not use it.
I'm not sure if they would kick her out though, usually you have to find a replacement tenant and get her to sign over the contract.
On another note, if I was your flatmate and your gf was around 4 nights a week I would be pretty ******. If she's spending that much time in the house then I would expect some contribution towards food / bills (not much but at least a token of acknowledging that being around so much is taking the pee).
A lot of houseshare problems come down to the feeling that one couple is taking over the house, you probably both feel that way towards each other.
The whole fridge is mine is petty though, you can't seriously expect her to not use it.
We always used to do a little calculation to figure out the prices.
If it was a 3 bedroom place, 25% of the total rent covers communal areas, and is split evenly by room.
The remaining 75% of the overall rent is split based on room-size and extras (more wardrobes, en-suite, etc).
If someone stayed over more than 7 times a month, they would contribute to 10% of non-fixed bills costs, like electricity, gas and water if metered. Flat water charges, council tax, internet and other fixed prices are excluded.
Worked fairly well, though maybe I was just lucky with logical housemates.
If it was a 3 bedroom place, 25% of the total rent covers communal areas, and is split evenly by room.
The remaining 75% of the overall rent is split based on room-size and extras (more wardrobes, en-suite, etc).
If someone stayed over more than 7 times a month, they would contribute to 10% of non-fixed bills costs, like electricity, gas and water if metered. Flat water charges, council tax, internet and other fixed prices are excluded.
Worked fairly well, though maybe I was just lucky with logical housemates.
Sometimes it has to go down the recorded route and an e-mail is the cheapest way of doing so.
She assaulted you and is acting like an idiot. Get your landlord to write a letter basically saying that if she acts like this again, she is out. Making some sweeping generalisations, she is a daddies girl used to getting her own way and lies to manipulate people. Her BF sees through this and just wants a quiet life.
I had an issue like this when I did a houseshare years ago. It was fun for a while and nobody bothered when she installed her boyfriend on a perm basis. As I was the one working, I had to pay the landlord by cheque every month and they were supposed to pay me into my account.
When she found out that the cheques were being cashed a few days after she gave me the money, she wanted interest on a few days worth of £220...
In the end, I gave her no access to my stuff. It was taken for granted that she could count on my to buy drinks when she was skint or use my internet connection or any food of mine she wanted, so I put a stop.
It came to a head when I found out that she had run up so much debt she couldn't pay her rent and I suspect she was prostituting herself to pay (Friday she has no money, takes three blokes up to her bedroom and Saturday morning she has more than enough to pay.... )
In other words, its more hassle than its worth living with people unless you have it in writing how you deal with live in lovers etc. As it happens, her boyfriend at the time would mainly chill with us so was watching tv at the same time etc, not really using a lot of electric/heating, so we were just happy to go out for a meal every so often with him paying. As it happens, we are still really good mates. As for her, she is a skanky whore who I'm sure will have done the same to others by now if she isn't still mumping off her retired parents.
She assaulted you and is acting like an idiot. Get your landlord to write a letter basically saying that if she acts like this again, she is out. Making some sweeping generalisations, she is a daddies girl used to getting her own way and lies to manipulate people. Her BF sees through this and just wants a quiet life.
I had an issue like this when I did a houseshare years ago. It was fun for a while and nobody bothered when she installed her boyfriend on a perm basis. As I was the one working, I had to pay the landlord by cheque every month and they were supposed to pay me into my account.
When she found out that the cheques were being cashed a few days after she gave me the money, she wanted interest on a few days worth of £220...
In the end, I gave her no access to my stuff. It was taken for granted that she could count on my to buy drinks when she was skint or use my internet connection or any food of mine she wanted, so I put a stop.
It came to a head when I found out that she had run up so much debt she couldn't pay her rent and I suspect she was prostituting herself to pay (Friday she has no money, takes three blokes up to her bedroom and Saturday morning she has more than enough to pay.... )
In other words, its more hassle than its worth living with people unless you have it in writing how you deal with live in lovers etc. As it happens, her boyfriend at the time would mainly chill with us so was watching tv at the same time etc, not really using a lot of electric/heating, so we were just happy to go out for a meal every so often with him paying. As it happens, we are still really good mates. As for her, she is a skanky whore who I'm sure will have done the same to others by now if she isn't still mumping off her retired parents.
I can see Matts argument that he is having to pay £200 yet your girlfriend pays nothing, albeit you over pay £25, to stay there for the majority of the week. Yes there's a difference between staying over and living there but if she is staying and having showers and watching tv etc. then it all adds up.
I think the whole thing could have been handled better on both sides, rather than paying extra rent why didn't you all just sit down and decide that extra guests staying over need to contribute to the bills?
Why don't you live with your girlfriend?
It also depends what staying over 3 or 4 night a week means. If it's someone arriving at 8-9pm after they have eaten/showered etc at home and then leaving for work in the morning, well that one thing but if it involves someone routinely arriving there at 6-7pm on a Friday and being there all weekend untill Sunday evening plus 1 or 2 nights in the week, well that's quite different.
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Cheers for the replies guys.
To answer some questions.
I didn't send the first email, Matt did to myself, Dave and Hattie. I simplied replied to it and it all happened from there. We had met in person to discuss the rules in regards to people staying over and it got heated and Hattie stormed out. We continued the conversation at home and Hattie initially agreed to wavier the £200 Matt had paid. She obviously spoke to him and between the two of them they are pushing for a better deal. This lead to Hattie giving back Matt the £200 and forcing up to stump up the difference when she underpaid on the rent.
I should also point out that Matt just kinda rocked up and only after 2 or so weeks did Hattie ask if it was okay if he stays for 3 more weeks. I empathised with his situation and said he could and wasn't bothered about the money as I could see he'd fallen on hard times, just asked if he could contribute to any higher than average bills. Hattie insisted he pays so he'd not taking advantage or us and Dave also agrees he should pay, £200 is paid as a result.
I could go to the landlord directly but my girlfriend also stays over and he is due to move into a new place either today or tomorrow so that problem of him living here is about to end. The main problem is how to deal with her behaviour and the fact I refuse to live with her. I've tried to talk with her after she launched herself at me in the kitchen, she refused, obviously too busy pulling my washing out of the machine. I think it's gone beyond talking to be fair, talking only goes so far, when someone is pushing, kicking and punching you in your own home it's time for action tbh.
Dave is backing me up in regards to Hatties childish antics and physical attacks but I don't know where he sits in regards to asking Hattie to move out.
I don't own the house, it's rented but filled with my stuff from a previous rent I had.
I can see peoples points about how much my girlfriend stays over which is in part why I agreed with £100 for 9 weeks for Matt to live here. My girlfriends impact is minimal, she will sit on my sofa, watch my TV and sleep in my bed. Any extra she may use bills wise I add but it's not a lot as we tend to eat together so my use is her use. The money situation has been resolved. The problem now is how to deal with her or my removal.
To answer some questions.
I didn't send the first email, Matt did to myself, Dave and Hattie. I simplied replied to it and it all happened from there. We had met in person to discuss the rules in regards to people staying over and it got heated and Hattie stormed out. We continued the conversation at home and Hattie initially agreed to wavier the £200 Matt had paid. She obviously spoke to him and between the two of them they are pushing for a better deal. This lead to Hattie giving back Matt the £200 and forcing up to stump up the difference when she underpaid on the rent.
I should also point out that Matt just kinda rocked up and only after 2 or so weeks did Hattie ask if it was okay if he stays for 3 more weeks. I empathised with his situation and said he could and wasn't bothered about the money as I could see he'd fallen on hard times, just asked if he could contribute to any higher than average bills. Hattie insisted he pays so he'd not taking advantage or us and Dave also agrees he should pay, £200 is paid as a result.
I could go to the landlord directly but my girlfriend also stays over and he is due to move into a new place either today or tomorrow so that problem of him living here is about to end. The main problem is how to deal with her behaviour and the fact I refuse to live with her. I've tried to talk with her after she launched herself at me in the kitchen, she refused, obviously too busy pulling my washing out of the machine. I think it's gone beyond talking to be fair, talking only goes so far, when someone is pushing, kicking and punching you in your own home it's time for action tbh.
Dave is backing me up in regards to Hatties childish antics and physical attacks but I don't know where he sits in regards to asking Hattie to move out.
I don't own the house, it's rented but filled with my stuff from a previous rent I had.
I can see peoples points about how much my girlfriend stays over which is in part why I agreed with £100 for 9 weeks for Matt to live here. My girlfriends impact is minimal, she will sit on my sofa, watch my TV and sleep in my bed. Any extra she may use bills wise I add but it's not a lot as we tend to eat together so my use is her use. The money situation has been resolved. The problem now is how to deal with her or my removal.
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I used to live in a shared house with 1 guy and two spanish girls. One of the spanish girls boy friend wanted to move in. Then the guys brother wanted to move in, due to him having a house outside london but needed to work in london. So during the week he would sleep in his brothers room. Ended up I paid like 400pcm (should have been 650) and hardly any bills. So Although it was a full house i made sure i benefited and not the people taking advantage of the house.
He shouldn't really be forced to do this, but the problem is Hattie & her boyfriend.
Ultimately, it depends whether you can get your mate back on side and go directly to the landlord. The landlord will not care if you move out and replace yourself with another person, but I'm sure they would prefer it if she was replaced as she is the trouble maker.