Help with server please! Running Sage Line 50

Craterloads said:
Should point out this is essentially a new business he's setting up (in the same field as his last venture) so everything from scratch including buying a version of SBS



Wouldnt the HP ML110 G6, which comes to around £400 after upgrades, suffice? considering the small scale of the business.
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my guess on price was a TOTAL guess (ever even checked), anything will do, jsut make sure what ever setup you use has mirrored drives...! - windows 7 will do for upto 10 users id say (so no sbs needed) stick in 4 gb of ram as its so cheap

DONT let them use what ever machine you decide is a server as a workstation! - a lot of people do this....
 
edscdk said:
my guess on price was a TOTAL guess (ever even checked), anything will do, jsut make sure what ever setup you use has mirrored drives...! - windows 7 will do for upto 10 users id say (so no sbs needed) stick in 4 gb of ram as its so cheap

DONT let them use what ever machine you decide is a server as a workstation! - a lot of people do this....
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OK so in layman's terms: -

- HP ML110 G6 Server - Setup in office
- Windows 7 Professional
- 2 x 1TB in Raid 1 plus 2 x 1TB USB Drives as Backup
- 4 x PC's in office + 1 x extra one as a Remote Desktop
- Fast broadban both ends, say Virgin Fibre 50MB+
 
edscdk said:
RDP is fast, if its slow, the connection is slow, if the connection is slow sage will crawl along I have a customer using sage over RDP is works a treat, I changed them to sage over rdp because sage over VPN was killing them (so slow) with frequent lockups (as in it stopped for 10seconds then started going again)....

we also has a lot of crashing out and having to mess about with some locked file or something (forget now)

I botched their setup as they were on a budget so they RDP into the server... however if I had more time and a little budget I would have installed a machine in their office with sage and got them to team viewer / logmein to it...
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Sage Line 50 allows it to work over a network but access is limited to two concurrent users.

Does RDP overcome this restriction and what advantage does it have over installing sage on another network machine with access to the shared database etc?
 
Craterloads said:
OK so in layman's terms: -

- HP ML110 G6 Server - Setup in office
- Windows 7 Professional
- 2 x 1TB in Raid 1 plus 2 x 1TB USB Drives as Backup
- 4 x PC's in office + 1 x extra one as a Remote Desktop
- Fast broadban both ends, say Virgin Fibre 50MB+
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Yes

w7 pro or home i think both support upto 20 connections...

+ backup software of choice I like acronis at the moment.... (£80)
+ probably a good quality router (£100) for the office
+ personally I would stick in a 16 port GB switch for £60 - £80 (4 machines, 1 router, 1 server 2 printers that would will up an 8 port one) (i tend to leave the router ports empty)

Not sure if virgin offer business grade lines? (you get a much better sla, hours days instead of weeks)

also google apps for email (£35 per user per year) if email is not sorted yet.

also if you are going for a proper spec remember MS office is going to kill you for £150 a machine...
 
Scream said:
Sage Line 50 allows it to work over a network but access is limited to two concurrent users.

Does RDP overcome this restriction and what advantage does it have over installing sage on another network machine with access to the shared database etc?
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never knew about that, I'm going to guess at every point here so may be wrong...

sage is a file based database, there is no back end to count connections, each sage instance does not know if the files its accessing are locally stored or on a different machine (well it can tell a unc but then you can make a drive to get round that)...

so if the restriction you say is in place then rdp will make no difference...

i guess you have one licence and log in as a named user on me machine and the master user on another machine??

you can have 3 users if you ahve 3 licences I know someone who does
 
I asked because I have been asked by a business who wants sage and they want upto 4 people using it at the one time hence why I mentioned the limited to two concurrent users thingy.

You say 3 licences but sage line 50 seems only to support 2 users (2 licences) so not sure on that.

I hate sage.

http://shop.sage.co.uk/accounts2.aspx

Unless I am looking at the wrong product? :confused:

EDIT: Sage are in the middle of testing their beta site. Oh great.
 
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Scream said:
I asked because I have been asked by a business who wants sage and they want upto 4 people using it at the one time hence why I mentioned the limited to two concurrent users thingy.

You say 3 licences but sage line 50 seems only to support 2 users (2 licences) so not sure on that.

I hate sage.

http://shop.sage.co.uk/accounts2.aspx

Unless I am looking at the wrong product? :confused:
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quote:

Register up to two users and unlimited companies*

at the bottom...

* £250+VAT per additional user license or company license

so your £560 gets you 2 users... and +250 gets you another and so on...
 
Well for the time being can have my brother in law connected via the remote PC, and 1 other PC in the office connected. Further down the line they can buy more licences?
 
edscdk said:
quote:

Register up to two users and unlimited companies*

at the bottom...

* £250+VAT per additional user license or company license

so your £560 gets you 2 users... and +250 gets you another and so on...
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From the technical tab:

To use Sage 50 Accounts over a network you will need a two user licence (additional £250+VAT). If installed over a network there is no restriction to the number of workstations Sage 50 Accounts can be accessed from, but access will be limited to two concurrent users. Please note Sage 50 Accounts may not be used over multiple networks.
 
If you want more than 2 concurrent users you'll need Sage Line 50 Professional (£1,095+Vat) and then additional user licences (£250+Vat).

There's also a very good chance that Sage will corrupt itself every few months so you'll probably need SageCover (£530 p/a).
 
bremen1874 said:
If you want more than 2 concurrent users you'll need Sage Line 50 Professional (£1,095+Vat) and then additional user licences (£250+Vat).

There's also a very good chance that Sage will corrupt itself every few months so you'll probably need SageCover (£530 p/a).
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Cheers for that.

Why I am not surprised that you need to get cover with it. No wonder Sage made record profits year after year.
 
Why I am not surprised that you need to get cover with it. No wonder Sage made record profits year after year.
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Get the cover, normally you can get them to give you cover+ for the same price which will give you the new version every year.
 
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