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A father is being quizzed by police on suspicion of murder after an alleged intruder at his home was stabbed to death.

Two men reportedly forced their way into the house of Vincent Cooke, 39, and threatened him before one of the alleged raiders suffered fatal knife wounds.

Mr Cooke was initially home alone at the time in Midland Road, Bramhall, Stockport.

But his wife Karen and their 12-year-old son returned during the incident - they managed to escape unharmed.

Police were called to the scene at about 7.50pm on Saturday.

Officers and paramedics gave first aid to the injured man, thought to be aged in his late 30s, but he died shortly after.

Floral tributes to the dead man - referred to as "Ray" and "Raymondo" - were left by his family members outside the large detached house.

Sky sources have since named the man as Raymond Jacob.

One tribute read: "Love you son. Going to miss you more than anything."

Earlier, police issued an alert to find the second suspected intruder who fled in a white Citroen van that was parked nearby, but he was later apprehended.
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http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16072164

Assuming the guy was an intruder (obviously it isn't confirmed yet) - good riddance. It's a bit odd that the friends and family of the deceased are leaving flowers outside of the home he was alleged to be stealing from though.

Wasn't David Cameron going to clarify home invasion laws (or whatever they're called) fairly soon, or has he done it already? Perhaps now would be a good time to do so.

I'm pretty sure that most of us would try and defend ourselves and our families in this kind of situation.
 
I wouldn't be too happy if I was the family who was burgled to have flowers an tributes to the burglar put outside my house.

I'm surprised the Police are allowing it frankly. I have no sympathy for the deceased, he wouldn't be dead if he wasn't robbing the place, live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
Castiel said:
I wouldn't be too happy if I was the family who was burgled to have flowers an tributes to the burglar put outside my house.

I'm surprised the Police are allowing it frankly. I have no sympathy for the deceased, he wouldn't be dead if he wasn't robbing the place, live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Agreed. If I was the home owner I'd be telling the police to shift it or I'd be doing it myself.
 
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future. Subscribes to Daily Mail for life. Wonders if immigrants cause cancer.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..


my opinion -- reasonable force should be allowed, unreasonable force should not.
 
britboy4321 said:
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..
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Yeah because that's exactly what happened here isn't it :)
 
If a 7 year old boy climbs over the wall into my back garden to collect his football, takes one of my flowers 'for his mam', and suggests I leave him alone or he'll 'punch me', am I allowed to hack him to pieces with a chainsaw as he tries to leave? After all, he wouldn't be dead if he stayed off my property eh, so, er, it's his fault ..? :/
 
britboy4321 said:
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future. Subscribes to Daily Mail for life. Wonders if immigrants cause cancer.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..


my opinion -- reasonable force should be allowed, unreasonable force should not.
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Have you got anything 'normal' to contribute instead of your usual making up stories to try and cause arguments?

britboy4321 said:
If a 7 year old boy climbs over the wall into my back garden to collect his football, takes one of my flowers 'for his mam', and suggests I leave him alone or he'll 'punch me', am I allowed to hack him to pieces with a chainsaw as he tries to leave?
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Case in point.
 
Robbo said:
Have you got anything 'normal' to contribute instead of your usual making up stories to try and cause arguments?



Case in point.
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Yes .. People should hear the facts before jumping to conclusions. Rather than just 'Burgler stealing anything = bad. Home owner going psychotic and stabbing him to death = great one mate'. It's mental.


Is your suggestion that when someone is in your house uninvited you can legally do ANYTHING to them? If I find a burgler can I pour petrol on them and set them alight 'to defend myself'? Yes or not? Legal or illegal? Simple question ...
 
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It depends what you class as reasonable. If i was a family man and someone forcefully broke into my house especially while my children were home and i had the opportunity to incapacitate them i would. Its not like you know if any intruder is there to rob or otherwise cause harm to you and your family. The post above about going postal is different a few hits to the head to potentially knock out or accidently kill are fine, stabbing, yea it may be dirty but you would be in fear if someone unexpectedly showed up in your home its fight or flight, those that fight should not be punished! You should have a right to protect your family and home. If some low life happens to die there is no one to really blame but themselves!
 
britboy4321 said:
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future. Subscribes to Daily Mail for life. Wonders if immigrants cause cancer.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..


my opinion -- reasonable force should be allowed, unreasonable force should not.
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I do not see how this hypothetical situation and outrageously baseless accusations contribute to this thread. May god have mercy on your soul.

Back on the topic, If there was excess of force he will be punished as was always the case in these situations, if he did not exceed it and stabbed him once as a pre-emptive strike then good riddance.
 
britboy4321 said:
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future. Subscribes to Daily Mail for life. Wonders if immigrants cause cancer.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..


my opinion -- reasonable force should be allowed, unreasonable force should not.
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Lol. How do you judge what was reasonable force? were you there? did you know what the situation was? do you know what threats were made to the homeowner or his family, which included a 12 year old boy?

Nope, neither do the Police, which is why he was arrested. If he acted in self defence or had reason to think he or his family would be attacked then he was justified to defend himself and his family who return during the aggravated burglary, with a weapon if necessary.

The bottom line here is that if the deceased had not been committing a serious crime then he would be alive today.
 
britboy4321 said:
Yes .. People should hear the facts before jumping to conclusions. Rather than just 'Burgler stealing anything = bad. Home owner going psychotic and stabbing him to death = great one mate'. It's mental.


Is your suggestion that when someone is in your house uninvited you can legally do ANYTHING to them? If I find a burgler can I pour petrol on them and set them alight 'to defend myself'? Yes or not? Legal or illegal? Simple question ...
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Your comments are pretty much not adding in anything here.
No where does it state the home owner went postal, it could have been a simple single knife wound.
You should have a legal right to protect yourself and your family, if you can prove to a court you felt in danger and stabbed a bloke in your house in fear then fair enough. If you set someone on fire thats rather different is it not? Nor is it whats been discussed.
By the sounds of it why dont you just sit the intruder down, pour him a nice cuppa and ask if hes broken in to do anything good?
 
britboy4321 said:
Is your suggestion that when someone is in your house uninvited you can legally do ANYTHING to them? If I find a burgler can I pour petrol on them and set them alight? Yes or not? Legal or illegal? Simple question ...
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No, but if they are stealing and trespassing and generally being violent, I would expect to be able to use reasonable force to subdue them. If I was in fear for my life, I would expect to be able to seriously injure/kill them.

I would co-operate with the police afterwards and hope they understand why I did what I did. I imagine this guy will be in the same situation right now.

If it was a 7 year old boy in my garden getting his football back, I'd draw on the fact I'm not a complete nutter and use my better judgement to avoid "hacking him to death with a chainsaw..."

(Read your posts back to yourself, please :o)
 
Nerusy said:
I do not see how this hypothetical situation and outrageously baseless accusations contribute to this thread. May god have mercy on your soul.

Back on the topic, If there was excess of force he will be punished as was always the case in these situations, if he did not exceed it and stabbed him once as a pre-emptive strike then good riddance.
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I agree 100%.

Yet some on here are saying 'Who cares whether there was an excess of force or not, let the guy go' :/
 
britboy4321 said:
Man breaks into house and says 'give me your £20 DVD player or I'll lump you mate'

Home owner grabs a steak knife, goes mentally psychotic, and stabs it it 6 times into the side of the burgler's head and his face, and 14 times into the unarmed burgler's gut as the guy madly tries to leg it.

OCUK GD commends owner and suggests he gets a big medal. Hopes burglers soul rots in hell. Secretly hopes media report burglar as non-white immigrant or gypsy in near future. Subscribes to Daily Mail for life. Wonders if immigrants cause cancer.

Welcome to the opinion of the masses. Joe Public & GD, .. I love 'ya!! The daily mail is going to have a field day on this one ..


my opinion -- reasonable force should be allowed, unreasonable force should not.
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yeah and this all because they wanted his £20 dvd player isn't it ?

Parked on the driveway were a gold Maserati luxury sports car, a silver Range Rover - both with personalised registration plates - and a large white Transit van bearing the logo of courier firm Transco Express Logistics Ltd.
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Who knows what they demand off him. But judging by his obvious wealth, it wasn't just a DVD player.
 
Castiel said:
Lol. How do you judge what was reasonable force? were you there? did you know what the situation was? do you know what threats were made to the homeowner or his family, which included a 12 year old boy?

Nope, neither do the Police, which is why he was arrested. If he acted in self defence or had reason to think he or his family would be attacked then he was justified to defend himself and his family who return during the aggravated burglary, with a weapon if necessary.

The bottom line here is that if the deceased had not been committing a serious crime then he would be alive today.
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Precisely.


The thread started 'let the guy go without charge' .. not 'let's wait until we know what exactly the home owner did'. I disagree with the premise of 'let's just let him go whatever went down' ... so I post. Simple as that ..


Brian8bit -- read thread title please :) He is suggesting 'Let him go .. who cares what went down'. Do you agree with him, or me? :)
 
britboy4321 said:
Brian8bit -- read thread title please :)
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You mean "here's to another one being released without charge" which implies that hopefully the home owner is found not to have used an excess of force as opposed to your implication that people don't care what happened to the burglar, whether excessive force was used or not.

You're pulling so much crap out of your ass you're at risk of drowning in bull****.
 
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