Hesitant with another OLED - Should I go with QLED?

[lovelyhead]

So you've literally viewed them both in a shop, that's hardly a good comparison as you don't know how they have been set up, I'll take lots of professional reviews over seeing a couple of TV's in a shop.

I compared them in person and using online reviews. RTings rates the X90J a 8.2 Vs the C1 an 8.8. Not a huge difference. Most reviews have the X90J being equally rated or only slightly lower.

The X90J outperforms the C1 on both SDR and HDR brightness which is very apparent when you compare the two in person. It is also brighter in game mode. Seeing as I hardly ever watch content in pitch black conditions, the extra brightness makes the X90J look better, in my opinion, when viewing in my normal conditions.

The X90J is pre calibrated way better out of the box than the C1. No need for an expensive professional calibrator to come out to make the colours look the way they should. That is probably another reason I think the X90J looked better in person.

Even after calibration, the colours on the X90J are more accurate according to Rtings.

The X90J also outperforms the C1 on Colour volume, gradients, lack of stutter and sound quality.

Android OS is also superior in my opinion to what LG uses.

Then you factor in the zero risk of burn in and the much bigger screen size for less money, it becomes a bit of a no brainer.

People should do their own research and go see the TV's in person but to dismiss the X90J just because it's not OLED would be a mistake.

 

[theone8181]

I compared them in person and using online reviews. RTings rates the X90J a 8.2 Vs the C1 an 8.8. Not a huge difference. Most reviews have the X90J being equally rated or only slightly lower.

The X90J outperforms the C1 on both SDR and HDR brightness which is very apparent when you compare the two in person. It is also brighter in game mode. Seeing as I hardly ever watch content in pitch black conditions, the extra brightness makes the X90J look better, in my opinion, when viewing in my normal conditions.

The X90J is pre calibrated way better out of the box than the C1. No need for an expensive professional calibrator to come out to make the colours look the way they should. That is probably another reason I think the X90J looked better in person.

Even after calibration, the colours on the X90J are more accurate according to Rtings.

The X90J also outperforms the C1 on Colour volume, gradients, lack of stutter and sound quality.

Android OS is also superior in my opinion to what LG uses.

Then you factor in the zero risk of burn in and the much bigger screen size for less money, it becomes a bit of a no brainer.

People should do their own research and go see the TV's in person but to dismiss the X90J just because it's not OLED would be a mistake.

When I've checked recently there's very little cost difference of the big screens between oled and lcd (77inches big).

 

[lovelyhead]

Right now on Richer Sounds the 75" X90J is £200 cheaper than the 65" C1.

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I only paid £1164 for my 75" X90J.

If you want the equivilent 77" C1 then you are paying around £2429 at John Lewis. Plus the extra £140 protect plus you would want to add.

So more than double the price for a slightly better TV (I would disagree with this but that is just my opinion).

 

[Radox-0]

Using an accurate picture setting you shouldn't really see much difference, the issue is Samsung boost colour saturation for 'pop' as that's what sells TV's.

Except they are not intrinsically linked. You can have a relatively accurate picture accuracy while having more Colour volume. I expect the Sony once measurements are out will demonstrate this. Heck even the recently updated S95B in film maker mode which is not reasonably accurate its noticeable, gold in particular.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

I compared them in person and using online reviews. RTings rates the X90J a 8.2 Vs the C1 an 8.8. Not a huge difference. Most reviews have the X90J being equally rated or only slightly lower.

The X90J outperforms the C1 on both SDR and HDR brightness which is very apparent when you compare the two in person. It is also brighter in game mode. Seeing as I hardly ever watch content in pitch black conditions, the extra brightness makes the X90J look better, in my opinion, when viewing in my normal conditions.

The X90J is pre calibrated way better out of the box than the C1. No need for an expensive professional calibrator to come out to make the colours look the way they should. That is probably another reason I think the X90J looked better in person.

Even after calibration, the colours on the X90J are more accurate according to Rtings.

The X90J also outperforms the C1 on Colour volume, gradients, lack of stutter and sound quality.

Android OS is also superior in my opinion to what LG uses.

Then you factor in the zero risk of burn in and the much bigger screen size for less money, it becomes a bit of a no brainer.

People should do their own research and go see the TV's in person but to dismiss the X90J just because it's not OLED would be a mistake.

I have an X90 and an Oled at home I've had them both 3 years plus spent hours on both is that enough? Also I do believe that hasn't been a ground breaking change in the revisions from the model I have of the x90.

The x90 doesn't hold a candle to an Oled.

 

[lovelyhead]

I have an X90 and an Oled at home I've had them both 3 years plus spent hours on both is that enough? Also I do believe that hasn't been a ground breaking change in the revisions from the model I have of the x90.

The x90 doesn't hold a candle to an Oled.

You are entitled to your opinion the same as me.

Having compared the X900H / X90J VS the C1 in person on multiple occasions, in multiple locations and ultimately putting my money where my mouth is twice, I just can't agree that the X90J "doesn't hold a candle" to the C1.

The reviewers seem to agree that they are both in the same league.

Take this video for instance comparing the X900H to the CX:

LG CX OLED vs Sony X900H (XH90) It Shouldn't be THIS Close!! | OLED vs LCD

This is a side by side of two 2020 TVs the LG CX OLED and the SONY X900H / XH90The Results will surprise you! Hit the Thumbs Up Button If You Like CX or Leav...

youtu.be

He reckons that they are both very close in picture quality with the CX looking better in some scenarios and the X900H looking better in others.

The X90J has noticeably better picture quality than the X900H and has a better feature set such as proper 4K 120hz and VRR with FALD.

The X90J should be on anyone's shortlist if they are also comparing the C1.

 

[melmac]

You are entitled to your opinion the same as me.

Having compared the X900H / X90J VS the C1 in person on multiple occasions, in multiple locations and ultimately putting my money where my mouth is twice, I just can't agree that the X90J "doesn't hold a candle" to the C1.

The reviewers seem to agree that they are both in the same league.

Take this video for instance comparing the X900H to the CX:

LG CX OLED vs Sony X900H (XH90) It Shouldn't be THIS Close!! | OLED vs LCD

This is a side by side of two 2020 TVs the LG CX OLED and the SONY X900H / XH90The Results will surprise you! Hit the Thumbs Up Button If You Like CX or Leav...

youtu.be

He reckons that they are both very close in picture quality with the CX looking better in some scenarios and the X900H looking better in others.

The X90J has noticeably better picture quality than the X900H and has a better feature set such as proper 4K 120hz and VRR with FALD.

The X90J should be on anyone's shortlist if they are also comparing the C1.

Well, I am in agreement with @5punk3monk3y. I can only comment on this because my brother purchased the X90J after doing a lot of looking around in shops and comparing between different TVs. He thought the Sony TV was just as good and sometimes better than any of the other TV's he compared it to, even the OLEDs.

So he bought one and brought it back to his place. When I heard about this, I asked him to bring it over to my house to compare side by side with my CX OLED. We set both TVs up spent a few hours trying out various content, Normal TV, Movies, Gaming etc. To cut a long story, he returned the Sony and bought a C1 OLED. Couldn't believe the difference between looking at them in a shop compared to trying them out at home.

The Sony X90J is a fine TV and if you are using it mainly for normal TV then, yeah, it's probably a much better buy than any OLED. However, it was in movies and sports where we noticed the CX pulling away. It was just nicer to look at. But the biggest difference was when we started gaming. Both the look and feel of playing on the CX was much better than the X90J.

The only thing is we don't watch movies or play games in brightly lit rooms.

That's just my opinion after trying both TVs.

 

[Broken Hope]

You are entitled to your opinion the same as me.

Having compared the X900H / X90J VS the C1 in person on multiple occasions, in multiple locations and ultimately putting my money where my mouth is twice, I just can't agree that the X90J "doesn't hold a candle" to the C1.

The reviewers seem to agree that they are both in the same league.

Take this video for instance comparing the X900H to the CX:

LG CX OLED vs Sony X900H (XH90) It Shouldn't be THIS Close!! | OLED vs LCD

This is a side by side of two 2020 TVs the LG CX OLED and the SONY X900H / XH90The Results will surprise you! Hit the Thumbs Up Button If You Like CX or Leav...

youtu.be

He reckons that they are both very close in picture quality with the CX looking better in some scenarios and the X900H looking better in others.

The X90J has noticeably better picture quality than the X900H and has a better feature set such as proper 4K 120hz and VRR with FALD.

The X90J should be on anyone's shortlist if they are also comparing the C1.

Not sure if I agree with your definition of ‘proper’ VRR with FALD.

VRR mode is the "cleanest" and fastest mode with a almost no picture processing and even though local dimming can now be enabled to improve contrast, it will not function the same way as outside of VRR mode where the TV has time to analyze the picture.

The local dimming system will still have frame delay while the highs (peak brightness) and lows (black) in VRR mode will not reach their full potential due to the dimming zones' rise, fall and cooling times. For the best gaming picture quality in VRR mode today you should still consider OLED TVs.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

You are entitled to your opinion the same as me.

Having compared the X900H / X90J VS the C1 in person on multiple occasions, in multiple locations and ultimately putting my money where my mouth is twice, I just can't agree that the X90J "doesn't hold a candle" to the C1.

The reviewers seem to agree that they are both in the same league.

Take this video for instance comparing the X900H to the CX:

LG CX OLED vs Sony X900H (XH90) It Shouldn't be THIS Close!! | OLED vs LCD

This is a side by side of two 2020 TVs the LG CX OLED and the SONY X900H / XH90The Results will surprise you! Hit the Thumbs Up Button If You Like CX or Leav...

youtu.be

He reckons that they are both very close in picture quality with the CX looking better in some scenarios and the X900H looking better in others.

The X90J has noticeably better picture quality than the X900H and has a better feature set such as proper 4K 120hz and VRR with FALD.

The X90J should be on anyone's shortlist if they are also comparing the C1.

A FALD mid range TV is not in the same league after multiple nights probably equating to a thousand plus hours on each I can tell you that it doesn't hold a candle to an Oled.

The Sony FALDs dimming zones are not 1:1 on my x90 with a 2.35:1 movie which causes the image to bleed in to the bars, this is just amplified in HDR.

The dimming zones are also not small enough to stop blooming on any material that has an image of the night sky / headlights / lamps... I could go on. For a mid range purchase it's great bang for buck but against an Oled nope different league

 

[lovelyhead]

Not sure if I agree with your definition of ‘proper’ VRR with FALD.

I was talking about the X90J having proper 120hz at 4K unlike the X900H. The X90J does have proper VRR though. It forces game mode on (which you want) which disables picture processing which decreases input lag. The C1 also disables picture processing such as motion interpolation when in game mode. The C1 can't claim to have flawless VRR as there have been many reports of flickering with it enabled.

 

[lovelyhead]

A FALD mid range TV is not in the same league after multiple nights probably equating to a thousand plus hours on each I can tell you that it doesn't hold a candle to an Oled.

The Sony FALDs dimming zones are not 1:1 on my x90 with a 2.35:1 movie which causes the image to bleed in to the bars, this is just amplified in HDR.

The dimming zones are also not small enough to stop blooming on any material that has an image of the night sky / headlights / lamps... I could go on. For a mid range purchase it's great bang for buck but against an Oled nope different league

The reviews just don't agree with you when you say that the Sony FALD TV's "don't hold a candle" to OLED. Most reviews say they are both great TV's with the OLED's being slightly better. Certainly not a different league.

Now if you had a fixed budget that could at most afford a 65" C1, I personally think that a 75" X90J is more appealing. That is just my opinion. I feel once you get a 75" TV you would never want to downsize. I certainly would never down size to 65" even for the best OLED. Certainly not with a 6 year old and a Wife who wouldn't care about burn in.

If you are someone who would only ever consume content in a dark room, are confident that static images wouldn't be left on screen and want the absolute best picture quality even if it is only slightly better than the competition, OLED is probably better for you. However if burn in worries you, a 75" is appealing and you want all the most modern features a TV can offer as well as fantastic picture quality, all for less than the cheapest 65" OLED, you would be silly not to consider the X90J. It is the best bang for buck TV available right now at 75".

 

[5punk3monk3y]

Your reply is not clear cut,

I work so yes 6 months of the year I'm in a dark room.

I think what your saying is -
On a budget and can't afford an Oled get the x90, if you can afford it get the Sony QD Oled.

The x90 is a great TV but next to an Oled it shows its middle tier greatness whereas the Oled is a top tier TV period.

And given the choice a 75" x90 next to a 65" Oled I'd pay more and get the Oled. Actually I did that too...

Anyway lets agree to disagree and may the x90 bring you many hours of enjoyment, at the end of the day that's why we buy these TVs.

 

[Broken Hope]

I was talking about the X90J having proper 120hz at 4K unlike the X900H. The X90J does have proper VRR though. It forces game mode on (which you want) which disables picture processing which decreases input lag. The C1 also disables picture processing such as motion interpolation when in game mode. The C1 can't claim to have flawless VRR as there have been many reports of flickering with it enabled.

I was also talking about the X90J as my quote was from here https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1657014938 I wouldn't call it proper VRR with FALD when it makes the already not great local dimming even worse, that TV only has 32 zones which isn't very good, there's a reason that the 75" Sony set is half the price of the 65" C1, I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but there is a reason they are priced the way they are, the OLED effectively has 8 million dimming zones as each pixel is one, vs 32 for the whole screen on the Sony. Then the Sony also has an old, not very good processor too.

 

[lovelyhead]

I was also talking about the X90J as my quote was from here https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1657014938 I wouldn't call it proper VRR with FALD when it makes the already not great local dimming even worse, that TV only has 32 zones which isn't very good, there's a reason that the 75" Sony set is half the price of the 65" C1, I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but there is a reason they are priced the way they are, the OLED effectively has 8 million dimming zones as each pixel is one, vs 32 for the whole screen on the Sony. Then the Sony also has an old, not very good processor too.

I am interpreting what they wrote differently to you. I read it as it doesn't make the local dimming worse when enabling VRR. They are simply comparing FALD to OLED where OLED pixels can transition from on to off almost instantly. The FALD works exactly the same with VRR on or off but compared to OLED's pixel response it is slower. I have not read anyone else saying FALD works differently when enabling VRR with the new update.

I am not sure where you read that the X90J uses an old, not very good processor? It has the same processor as the latest 2022 flagship Sony TV's, the Cognitive Processor XR, which is regarded as being the best in the business for motion processing.

Anyway, I think I have made my point regarding my opinion that people should consider the X90J when shopping for a new TV. OLED is not for everyone and the X90J is a very good alternative. Hopefully the OP finds what they are looking for.

 

[theone8181]

I think unless you have 4k with of dimming zones (I.e. one for each pixel like an oled), you're always going to get some bleed through, however I guess it depends on how dark the room is, I rarely watch anything like you would at the cinema, I always have a light on which makes it far less noticeable.

 

[lovelyhead]

I think unless you have 4k with of dimming zones (I.e. one for each pixel like an oled), you're always going to get some bleed through, however I guess it depends on how dark the room is, I rarely watch anything like you would at the cinema, I always have a light on which makes it far less noticeable.

Having bias lighting really helps with bloom. I don't notice it so haven't bothered getting bias lighting.

 

[theone8181]

Having bias lighting really helps with bloom. I don't notice it so haven't bothered getting bias lighting.

Yea that's exactly why I did it, and nothing to do with stopping me tripping up if I'm walking around the room.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

Having bias lighting really helps with bloom. I don't notice it so haven't bothered getting bias lighting.

I have a Hue sync set up around the TV and also incorporating the other lights in the room, during transitions whilst watching content (black screen) or space views the room goes dark it works really well with the Oled, a scene of note is the opening of the fifth element when the ship comes in to view in space and the earth travels across the screen a blue wave runs through the room.

 

[andybird123]

The problem with comparing TV's in shops is that they set them all to "retail" mode, which boosts the brightness to the detriment of everything else because they are all under shop lighting, so in a shop it's just a case of whichever TV is brightest looks best, if you reset your TV it'll ask you if you want it in home mode or retail mode, but no one chooses retail mode at home because it would look complete gash

Comparing TV's in a shop is the worst thing you can do

Having said that, oleds typically aren't as bright as LCD so if you aren't able to light control your room at all, a qled is going to be the better choice

We're going LED in the living room, projector in the game/cinema room

 

[Broken Hope]

OLED's are still far brighter than the LCD TV's people have been using for many years, I'm sure people haven't suddenly made their living rooms super bright since OLED's became mainstream.