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You may remember me from TV Documentaries such as When Cats go Bad.
Hi, I'm Ben Fogle.
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You may remember me from TV Documentaries such as When Cats go Bad.
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She is not on enough if you ask me.
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I just rememberd another one that annoy's me and thats Nigella Lawson! At first she was ok doing her cooking thing but now its all about her and how she looks lol
Who?
Fogle is an idiot. Taking people into the desert without proper desert clothing, so they get burnt by the sun and battered by sandstorms, having a 20 year old map and no gps or satallite phone, not taking enough water ever, and not having immunised people against the venomous snakes that they were walking over without carrying anti-venom with them. And then just sitting next to the backup vehicles in a sandstorm instead of sitting in them. 
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TBH, I don't think he's the project manager, producer or survival expert, he's just the presenter doing as he's told by the folks behind the camera.
If you want someone to hate, join me on my crusade to have Brian Sewell burnt at the stake.
Fogle is an idiot. Taking people into the desert without proper desert clothing, so they get burnt by the sun and battered by sandstorms, having a 20 year old map and no gps or satallite phone, not taking enough water ever, and not having immunised people against the venomous snakes that they were walking over without carrying anti-venom with them. And then just sitting next to the backup vehicles in a sandstorm instead of sitting in them.
Did you actually read that through before you posted it? Have you ever been in a desert? I'm not sure I'm aware of immunisations against snake bites, or clothing that protects against sandstorms. They have a back-up team, and a back-up medical team who have thus far provided excellent support when required. It's supposed to be tough, going from water-hole to water-hole is one of the challenges they have set themselves. I'm fairly sure that the BBC have taken every precaution so that no-one comes to serious harm.
Jesus, man. Get a clue.
Google "Mithridatization".
Ever heard of goggles? Anything that covers the legs and arms instead of having them exposed would help. The other day they were being blasted by a sandstorm, wearing no protection whatsoever and had no visibility due to not having goggles. When the backup team finally arrived, they didn't even get into the vehicle and tried to shield themselves with a beach windbreaker.
Unless he was purposley lieing, they ran out of water on more than one occasion, when they were 2 hours away from the nearest water hole.
How ironic.
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i can usually get over irritating birds on tele by blotting out the annoyance and focusing on whatever bit of theit anatomy i find sexually desirable.
completely different with blokes though.if i have to suffer some plonker while the mrs is watching then i divise extreme torture techniques especially for them and tell her so she gets annoyed and turns it over.
completely different with blokes though.if i have to suffer some plonker while the mrs is watching then i divise extreme torture techniques especially for them and tell her so she gets annoyed and turns it over.
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Mithridatization is not immunisation. It's the slow de-sensitisation to poisons and venoms though their repeated ingestion in non-lethal quantities.
That means that in order for it to work in this situation they would have had to repeatedly subject each person to every venom or toxin they may encounter, something that would be incredibly expensive, time consuming and dangerous on a George Bush level stupidity.
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Mithridatization is immunisation, you will find the word immunity in many definitions of it. When the body is exposed to a toxin it produces antibodies against the substance, after repeated exposure a high enough antibody level in the blood is maintained to counteract any envenomation they may recieve, plus the white blood cells can produce antibodies as needed. Vaccinations use the exact same method to produce immunisation, except a constantly high antibody count is not required.
They need only have immunised against the most potent toxins they may come accross, not all of them, most envenomations are not fatal. Extracting poison from snakes is an inexpensive process, and considering this trip was planned months in advance there was plenty of time for it. Prevention is better than cure imo, no risk of serum sickness from the anti-venom either.
Anyway, the only reason I commented on them not being immunised was because they were walking over terrain inaccesable to ground vehicles, and did not appear to be carrying anti-venom on their person. (At least that is what fogle led me to believe). In any other case, I agree it would be impractical.
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All the documents I just read stated that it was expensive and time consuming enough to warrant it having no practical purpose other then for snake handlers in Zoos and other similar occupations.
Also, you have to explain to everyone going that before they were you were going to have to poison them numerous times.
I have relatives in Africa, Zambia to be precise, and I travel there quite often. There are a lot of venomous snakes and spiders and yet I know of no-one who has been though or has contemplated going though this process. It just wouldn't be worth it for the chances of being bitten or the likelihood of not having anti-venom available.
I know they BF said didn't carry anti-venom (well actually I don't, I'm assuming it because you said so) but given that I work for the BBC in IT and we have to jump through HSE hoops I seriously, seriously doubt that anyone on this programme was in the remotest bit of danger at any time.
I saw some of the selection programmes and my understanding is that they chose people who wanted to face their fears, become more confident or maybe just prove they were capable. Based on this I'd suggest that BF just lied to them in order to get them to think they were accomplishing more than they actually were.
Wadaya reckon?
I think Asprilla has covered this. Entirely impractical.
This was explained at the time. The team members were cut-off from their camels and most of their supplies; later in the program Fogle does a piece to camera, and is clearly wearing goggles. It was also mentioned that sandstorms at that time of year were very rare. Certainly, it is prudent to be prepared for every eventuality but in 50 degree heat, you can't carry everything. You have to weigh risk against reality.
It's a television program. In today's litigious society do you really think they were ever in any unreasonable danger?
How naive.
