Hillsborough police chief David Duckenfield cleared of manslaughter

[Thekwango]

For you to harp on about how they only want compensation is a disgraceful thing to say.

it is a thoroughly disgraceful and stupid claim to make. justice has always been the main driving force.

however, while no sane person can dispute the first report that laid the blame solely on the fans was so contemptible it was ******* disgusting and nothing more than an attempted whitewash to protect those most at fault (the police) what followed was an equally flawed outcome.
a report that completely removed the fans of any blame is, for many not emotionally attached to the case, perplexing at best. but probably expected. given how disgustingly Liverpool FC and it's fans were treated not only in the immediate aftermath but the subsequent years the only outcome those so attached to the case would accept was total absolution of any blame for the fans. that's not true justice, that's just a whitewash on the other end of the spectrum.

that aside, no report or investigation will make up for the disgusting way the club and it's fans were treated, no report or investigation will bring back those who needlessly lost their lives and it's truly sickening that the law cannot properly punish those who went out of their way to lie and cover up their own ineptitude.

RIP to the 96 and shame on those who tried to lie their way out of accepting responsibility for those 96 deaths.

 

[omnomnom]

Can you prove that it's not because these people want compensation? Whether you agree with his opinion or not he is still entitled to it.

Can you prove they just want compo?

Do you have any idea the sheer amount of money that has been raised over the years? If they wanted a pay out trust me they could have got it. Stop talking absolute tripe.

 

[Dis86]

Can you prove they just want compo?

Do you have any idea the sheer amount of money that has been raised over the years? If they wanted a pay out trust me they could have got it. Stop talking absolute tripe.

Good to see your reading comprehension still hasn't improved. Want to make any more things up? You've got a history of that remember...

 

[omnomnom]

Good to see your reading comprehension still hasn't improved. Want to make any more things up? You've got a history of that remember...

Ahhh a reminder why I put you on ignore. Absolute nonsense.

 

[Thekwango]

you all want to pack in the 'they’re just after compo' crap. that's utterly disgusting and completely disrespectful to those that lost their lives. i'm a man utd fan and pretty much hate all things Liverpool Fc but reading some of the comments in here is ******* sickening. you should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Dis86]

Ahhh a reminder why I put you on ignore. Absolute nonsense.

Irony.

 

[Dis86]

you all want to pack in the 'their just after compo' crap. that's utterly disgusting and completely disrespectful to those that lost their lives. i'm a man utd fan and pretty much hate all things Liverpool Fc but reading some of the comments in here is ******* sickening. you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Seems a bit weird to hate a football club.

 

[Thekwango]

Seems a bit weird to hate a football club.

So you don’t get football rivalry. Good for you.

 

[hurfdurf]

So you don’t get football rivalry. Good for you.

He doesn't get a lot of things. Mods must condemn.

 

[Dis86]

So you don’t get football rivalry. Good for you.

Rivalry doesn't equal hate. To hate someone because they wear a different coloured shirt whilst they kick a ball about is pretty daft really, isn't it?

 

[stockhausen]

The trial judge, Mr Justice William Davis, ruled that the offence could not have been committed, because the amendments were to prepare police statements for the public inquiry, chaired by Lord Justice Taylor. That was a non-statutory inquiry, which Davis described to the jury as “an administrative exercise”, not a “course of public justice”.

So even if the amendments meant the South Yorkshire police withheld important evidence from the Taylor inquiry, that could not constitute perverting the course of justice. (LINK)

As has been pointed out, the two Police Officers and the Solicitor escaped on a "technicality"; after more than 30 years and God alone knows how much money, justice has not been seen to be done

 

[stockhausen]

There have been calls to introduce a “Hillsborough law”, which would require public authorities to be proactively truthful in investigations, court proceedings and inquiries.

This legal duty would oblige ministers, government departments and advisers to have a “duty of candour” towards any inquiry including the eventual public inquiry into how and why more than 150,000 people have died in the Covid pandemic.

This is going to make life somewhat difficult for the likes of Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Dominic Cummings, et al.

As it would have done for the South Yorkshire Police and for Blair had it been in place long ago - as it should have been in a world where the concept of integrity and justice applies equally to everyone and the Establishment cannot mislead as a matter of course.

 

[Thekwango]

There have been calls to introduce a “Hillsborough law”, which would require public authorities to be proactively truthful in investigations, court proceedings and inquiries

you'd have thought there would already be a law given it kind of should be expected that public authorities would be legally required to tell the truth in investigations, court proceedings and enquiries.

anyway, while not even close to justice, i think that law being brought, along with the other changes that happened as a result of the tragedy would be a fitting legacy to the 96 fans who lost their lives that day.

 

[Meridian]

you'd have thought there would already be a law given it kind of should be expected that public authorities would be legally required to tell the truth in investigations, court proceedings and enquiries.

There's a very simple principle: do you want the truth of what happened, or do you want people prosecuted? Because the two aims are incompatible. The proposed law would effectively force certain groups of people to give testimony that might make them incriminate themselves, which breaches a fundamental right. If you want people to give accurate truthful testimony to an enquiry, you will only succeed if they are immune to prosecution, or at least their evidence cannot be used in court. Decide which you want.

 

[stockhausen]

. . . If you want people to give accurate truthful testimony to an enquiry, you will only succeed if they are immune to prosecution, or at least their evidence cannot be used in court. Decide which you want.

I believe that in British courts the oath is something along the lines:

I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I don't think that there is any reference to withholding details or simply lying in order to avoid self-incrimination?

However, this was not a statutory public inquiry at which evidence is given on oath, so retired public servants withholding relevant evidence is deemed to be perfectly acceptable

 

[Thekwango]

do you want the truth of what happened, or do you want people prosecuted?

truth. truth should be the primary goal of any investigation, court proceeding or enquiries. otherwise why bother? if that truth results in prosecutions then so be it.

 

[Hotwired]

I believe that in British courts the oath is something along the lines:I don't think that there is any reference to withholding details or simply lying in order to avoid self-incrimination?

You are absolutely allowed to refuse to incriminate yourself or simply say nothing

A law obliging civil servants to never lie and say everything they know would obviously bulldoze such rights for those people.

 

[stockhausen]

Well, it appears that Mr Justice William Davis may have erred in his judgement (LINK).

A review of Lord Justice Taylor's inquiry showed that official questionnaires completed by witnesses (which were not mentioned in the recent trial) were entitled, in capital letters: “Lord Justice Taylor’s Judicial Inquiry into the Hillsborough Football Disaster.”.

The Taylor inquiry WAS NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

 

[stockhausen]

OH LOOK!

South Yorkshire and West Midlands police have agreed a settlement with more than 600 people to compensate them for the false Police campaign aimed at avoiding responsibility for the 1989 Hillsborough disaster and blame the victims instead, which bereaved families have always said was a cover-up.

The forces will pay compensation to families whose relatives were among the 96 men, women and children unlawfully killed at Hillsborough, and to survivors of the disaster, for additional trauma and psychiatric damage caused by the police campaign. (LINK)

But still; no Police Officers are to blame for the 96 deaths or for the ensuing years of cover-up - the Taxpayer can carry the can for the latter

 

[Hotwired]

Well, it appears that Mr Justice William Davis may have erred in his judgement (LINK).

A review of Lord Justice Taylor's inquiry showed that official questionnaires completed by witnesses (which were not mentioned in the recent trial) were entitled, in capital letters: “Lord Justice Taylor’s Judicial Inquiry into the Hillsborough Football Disaster.”.

The Taylor inquiry WAS NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

Doubt that's good enough. The inquiry genuinely didn't have legal power, a questionnaire title, even officially printed doesn't give it legal power.