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Another loon who thinks wind farms can meet the nations power requirements.
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Another loon who thinks wind farms can meet the nations power requirements.
which it is doing by agreeing to buy at a certain price
I'd rather not have all the green areas taken over by that crap. Solar should only be on roofs of buildings out the way and wind farms off shore. Even then it should be used in a mix with Nuclear (and coal/gas/oil which will decline over time).
They need to get 3 or 4 of these new ones on the go tbh and turn off those horrible coal ones now and phase out the oil ones. Renewables is the way to go but expect we are still 50 years off being able to increase that energy source to a decent level.
It's not the only one being built.
Solar and wind are supplementary power sources, nuclear is a primary source. You cannot run a grid just on supplementary sources (we don't currently have a way to stockpile the energy required). This isn't competing with wind/solar it's competing with coal/gas, and is a much better option for the environment and for consumers pockets.
I was thinking more on the lines of:
"So how much power does it take to run these cooling pumps"
"Oh standard 1 Jin of power is required."
"Sorry one Jin?!?... I've never herd of this unit of power before."
"Oh is very common in China, in fact here he comes now."
Interesting fact*, this is actually the origin of the word "engine".
Back in China in the 1750s, automated devices which weren't human powered (e.g. water/windmills) were referred to as "no-Jin" devices, or commonly shortened to "n-Jin devices or n-Jins".
When the Chinese brought these devices over to Europe/the UK in 1824, this nomenclature was brought with it, although over the years the spelling has been somewhat corrupted to fit with the syntax of the English language.
* This "fact" may not be 100% true...
So the £90 is inflation linked? I've not seen that confirmed anywhere? Everyone has just said its a fixed price.
Would be interested to see your source for this.
He is right, however its a lot more complicated than people are making it out to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station#Economics
Basically they are getting a guaranteed price that is higher than wholesale electricity, but thats mainly because wholesale electricity is coming from established fossil fuel plants. The strike price is there to ensure investment in building new plants, so you should really compare it to the strike prices of other technology, namely:
So the strike price for the EDF nuclear plants is higher than the maximum for landfill gas and sewerage gas, but less than onshore and offshore wind, geothermal, hydro and solar.
So in terms of getting investment in non fossil fueled facilities, £90 for some nuclear is actually towards the cheaper end of whats out there.
I doubt the hippies crying "omg build wind farms!" are aware that anyone who did would be getting nearer £150 per MWh guaranteed price...
Its also fixed both ways, so if electricity prices rise above the cap, EDF will be refunding the difference back. And whos confident enough to predict that electricity prices won't be above the EDF strike price by 2060?
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The Chinese were too afraid to hack her.
She closed the coal mines and started buying cheap Chinese coal!
And Jimmy Saville spent more than a few Christmas holidays at her house.
Its not just wind farms though is it.... solar, tidal, wind. I don't care if you green field has a windmill on it. I do care that i cant go in a 50 mile radius of a coastline due to a someone not switching a valve off for the next 150 years.
Sorry the risk is way to much, nuclear power is stupid and should be left in the 1950s where it belongs.
Maybe a salt based reactor, but then we cant make bomb material hence why it was never pushed in the first place.
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It's lucky then that the Gen3+ and Gen4 designs have passive protections then. The EPR reactors are the least amazing of the options: AP1000, ESBWR, ABWR etc but they are still much better than the alternatives for base load power.
I know that energy strike prices are linked to CPI.
Your link even says
without quoting a source.
What I meant is I'd like to see a source to show that the price for this particular deal is not fixed at £92.50, but is also linked to CPI.
The deal does somewhat make a mockery of the UK regardless in my opinion. The price/MWh here is £37.94. It seems to be another way that the UK private market is subsidising the French energy market.